How come I can't trade loot?

Some guy managed to get 1hander weapon in fury, since he was using 2h he had no need for it.
So I was the tank and I could need it, it would be a massive upgrade for me.

But his loot was given to him, soul bound?
Why?
Why can’t we play the way we want?
Why must Blizzard use their stupid automated system to get inbetween a player interaction?
Do u know how horrible this is even? Now he had to vendor it, while it would’ve been a +13 item level upgrade for me.

I am starting to get fed up with all this automated crap! How is this free? Blizzard is constantly intervening in my gameplay. This sucks so much.

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To stop ninja lots?
Or you didn’t see what Asmongold did on classic with the guy who refused give him the item? (If I’m not mistaken he got guild kick or something like that)

I do like the personal loot, but its kinda silly that i cant trade away items of higher ilvl if i want to. Or if i have a 226 mace and then get a 226 staff, why cant i trade away my staff? Small things like that annoys me a bit with the system.

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? That stupid system which doesnt allow u to trade items which are higher ilvl then eq has nothing to do with that

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Why is personal loot a thing?

Simple, because Blizzard wants players to be unable to be pressured into giving away their BiS items whenever they loot them.

Is personal loot a good solution without any issues?

Haha, no.

Are there better solutions for this problem?

Maybe, I don’t know. I can’t think of any.

Was the problem really that big so that they needed to implement an entirely new system with its own issues?

In WoD? Yes. In Legion? No.

Should Blizzard go back and allow guild master loot for full guild groups?

Imo, yes.

If you’ve played during WoD, you most likely met the “XYZ locked” groups in group finder. Allowing players to disable persoloot in non guild groups was terrible.

“But you could simply decide not to join those raids.”
Agreed. That used to be the best solution, but given how a majority of raids did in fact lock either Archimonde trinkets, or other BiS items, it’s understandable that it bothered people.

In Legion it got changed to enforced persoloot with only guild groups (18/20) being able to turn it into “Guild Master Loot”, which solved nearly every issue people have had with the system, except for the rare “I’m a trial and I don’t get any loot” complaint, which, to be honest I still find difficult to believe.

Ever since BFA we’re stuck with enforced persoloot which most people who play in guilds dislike and everybody who doesn’t play in guilds occasionally dislikes, but mostly doesn’t care about.

In the end, the answer to your question “Why is it the way it is?” is simply: Because the devs decided it was the best way to fix mostly imaginary issues.

I personally hate having to trade away my BiS items, which was the reason persoloot was implemented in the first place, however given the fact that it only checks itemlevel, sadly it doesn’t solve that issue at all. My first 226 ring was the Darkvein ring, which I did not need whatsoever, so I had to trade away the Artificer Ring twice, before getting it for myself.

Great system, really.

My first 233 trinket was the SLG trinket, it’s alright, but I genuinely wanted the Dreadfire Vessel, which I had to trade away once and have not yet looted.

You really solved those issues there, kudos to the dev team!

At the same time, I hate looting items I don’t need, because for some imaginary reasons there’s no main stat on rings, but can’t trade them, even though they’re just straight up worse for me, because their itemlevel is higher.

I genuinely dislike persoloot, mostly because it takes away the players freedom of choice.

But sadly the current game director believes it’s the best system that was ever implemented, so we’ll be stuck with it until that job posting gets opened again.

I will always advocate for Guild Master Loot to be implemented back into the game.

You can’t trade loot if its upgrade for you.

Masterloot gone good riddance forever.
But I still miss those need and greed button pop up and rolls sometimes.

Problem is that it isnt always an upgrade and ends up being disenchanted or vendored. I’d rather be able to trade it away to someone who needs it more then.

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It’s actually a system, specifically designed to screw high end guilds over.

The items become soulbound to people if they don’t have higher ilvl for that slot.

The purpose was to ruin split pushing content for the sake of gearing individuals.

The outcome screws everyone over.

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Yep. Current loot system is sooooo bad. Hopefully we will get some sort of fix before next tier.

All those pesky streamers taking my loot! Every day!

I think it was meant to stop guilds bullying players into giving away their loot.

That said; personal responsibility.

You can choose not to run with a raid group that would be like that. You can also choose not to give them the loot that dropped for you, even if you can trade it. You probably won’t get to raid with them again, but you probably didn’t intend to either.

Let people trade stuff, imho. Don’t try to guess what the player will/won’t want to equip; they will equip what they want and give away the rest.

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The loot system is good, just needs to lift the restriction of trading it away.

At least if in a guild group…

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im getting flash backs from the 3 offhand raid tokens i couldnt trade away because i was using a higher item level staff. :joy:

Maybe you should have traded in the first and equipped the item so you could trade away the next one :stuck_out_tongue:

Also i always make sure to equip rings and trinkets in both slots so i can trade away if something with bad stats for me drops :smiley:

yeah but im always already low on bag space. :frowning:

Indeed.

I’d be happy to see Master Looter back for guild groups, as an alternative. Anything that lets me give away gear I don’t need to someone I’ll be raiding with repeatedly in the future. It’s in my interest to be generous with things that are tiny upgrades for me and big upgrades for others.

Ugh, ain’t that the truth.

Typically have 12-18 free slots on main.

Raiding healer set. M+ healer set. PvP healer set. DPS set. Food for different specs/locations, potions, flasks, several shapes of anima that I forgot to hand in. Comedy items and deployables, pet charms, water in case there isn’t a mage… it adds up so fast when you play multiple specs.

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It partly does. Personal Loot (and everything it came with) was born out of people complaining about ninja looting or loot master in any reasonable pug or because they as a trial didnt get loot (which they still dont because they get benched on fights where they are a threat to desired loot by such people anyway).

In this case the Fury Warrior had selected Fury Loot which can give him a 2h or a 1h. Since he didnt have an 1H yet the game soulbound it for him as his spec can also utilize 1hs. Also you can also be prevented from trading loot if you have the same ilvl if the dropped item has a socket but yours dont.

It wasnt an upgrade for him.

Nobody that knew how it works had a problem with it. Be it in a pug or in a guild. And guilds that abused it can still abuse it by circumventing the system so the removal of guild master loot changed absolutely nothing in this regard. Aside from loot councils still being a thing in guilds regardless.

During legion i was in guild where guild master and his elite raiders were doing HC runs for GEAR and they were playing with trials
and they always took my gear they only gave it to me when it was not needed for their mains because they were progresing mythic
that was during antorus it felt terrible i would say cause you know i was there i was doing dmg i was killing boss
but i was like OK they need gear to progress so let them have it

I think this is why blizzard change it
because there are guilds doing this but they are just hiding behind mythic progresion or whatver basically they are stealing gear for themself with this
that’s why master looter was removed according to blizzard

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You don’t need to equip them, just having in bags should be enough.