How come Mythic setting doesn't set ICC to Heroic 25 man

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Which he can control just fine if he makes sure he sets it to 25 man heroic and never touches it again.

The following is the most important part, so i will advice you to read it carefully:

Which it will with the above, but wont solve the issue of being in the wrong difficulty to earn something.
Because in the end, you can still mess up and end up in the wrong difficulty for the reward you are trying to get.

You arent removing the issue in any way by just changing it.

You can still end up in the wrong difficulty.
You can still ‘‘waste’’ 1 reset worth of a shot at something
You still have to ‘‘check’’ raid difficulty if you need another difficulty than the ‘‘default’’.
You still have rewards spread across different difficulties like the ICC mount.

It doesnt affect me directly.
But i am just telling people it wont solve the issue they are having.

Its like a bandaid at best.

And most of all,
The system was never a reason to supply feedback upon by the OP, for the last 12 years because he ‘‘never’’ made the mistake of not swapping into the correct difficulty and wasted his shot at the mount for 1 reset.

So the feedback is driven by a personal mistake someone dont wants to admit and therefor we need a ‘‘system’’ change to make sure he cant make a mistake again, or atleast doesnt have to admit it.

Even tho the system itself is already in the game for 12 years and has been working fine ever since.

Sorry for disturbing your ‘‘echo chamber’’ feels,
This is another weird point, submitted feedback cant be critiqued anymore by anyone if you are ‘‘not affected’’ by it.

Being told to move on and just dont care.

Even tho this is a general discussion forum, and if you want to post feedback i am free and allowed to have an opinion and post in said topics.
Supplying feedback / viewpoints and just discussing said points of feedback.

But according to the new ‘‘internet rules’’ this isnt allowed anymore, and any feedback post can only receive ‘‘positive reviews’’ or you get told to move on and get out of a thread.

What a time to be alive :smiley:

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The OP did not know that there is no mythic mode for ICC. So, yes if you tell someone some information, they will use it in the future.
Until we have another newbie and he sets to highest, only to find out that the poor system logic screwed him.

The raid defaulting to the next highest is the logical outcome. You just don’t give a crap.

Yes it will, as this logic is clearly the one that serves common sense.
Something that you apparently lack.

What you said above isn’t feedback, it’s telling the OP that it’s fine l2p.
Your opinion regarding issues that you don’t care either way about is irrelevant.

If it works either way for you, you don’t give a crap how the system handles it.
Meaning that you have no good reason for denying the OP and others a better logic for the system. This is why you’re a troll.

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Because heroic sets them to… heroic. What’s hard to understand.

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He set it to mythic, which isn’t available in ICC…
Maybe you should try to understand what the OP wrote.

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But it never would remove all the points of failure.
And you can keep saying it will be the best and its logical, it still wont REMOVE any points of failure the current system has with the selection of raid difficulties.

No, complaining about a system that worked for you for 12 years, to then ‘‘finally’’ complain about something when you make a mistake is petty and childish.

Own up to your mistakes and deal with it.
I have been there, and done that even recently with some alts i ran raids with for transmog, and i just was like: ah well silly mistake, next week ill get it right.

its not, opinions arent irrevelant just because you disagree with a piece of feedback.
The solution or feedback offered to change it wont remove the points of failure people can get into by changing the default to ‘‘highest’’ difficulty possible.

So the feedback by itself is already flawed.

Ulduar got changed for timewalking purposes and now has 10 and 25 man drops on 1 loot table in 1 difficulty.
Just apply that to all legacy content and be done with it.

Or just merge HC 10 / 25 man and normal 10 / 25 man loot tables.

Might take you a bit longer to get the rewards because of the bigger loot tables, but it would make way more sense to suggest that as feedback than to change the ‘‘default’’ to the highest difficulty.

Because the latter will NOT remove the issues for being in the wrong difficulty, and you fail to see that logic which is just funny.

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For a second i thought you were the OP, just posting on another character.
Until i noticed you actually got your Invincible’s reins in october last year.

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It won’t, but the logic used would make more sense.

Just because something works in a certain way for a long time, doesn’t mean it’s a good way for it to work as it does.

Your “opinion” is: it’s fine l2p, is point nr.1 as why it isn’t relevant.

It will remove the point of failure experienced by the OP.
The points of failure that will come out of it are less significant, since defaulting to highest when you set it to highest makes more sense as you already set your intention to do the highest of the raid. Not the lowest.

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The OP said he’s kinda new to the game… so he didn’t know that mythic isn’t available for ICC.
So he probably heard it drops in highest difficulty or something.

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Exactly my point ever since post 1.

Yet, its one of the first posts in 12 years to ‘‘discuss’’ how it works and put out feedback about how it works.
Something with: dont change a winning team.

Its not, i explained why i think it doesnt need a rework and it is really ‘‘simple’’ to use and i listed that in a few posts earlier already.
Skipping over it doesnt give you the freedom to ‘‘assume’’ my opinion.

Yeah, it would remove it for the OP, and what about all the other players that want other rewards or go there for other gains?
And need other difficulties?

And again, it has no ‘‘default’’ it just a used last setting. Which means you can already ‘‘control’’ it, but it takes some thought.
So it would have to be changed to ‘‘default’’ to something which is predetermined.

And again, this will only ‘‘solve’’ the issue for the OP and isnt a general good piece of feedback because it wont rule out the points of failure for other players.
And since there are many of them, i think there are better options.

10 / 25 man normal loot merged in 1 loot table. Same for achievements.
10 / 25 man heroic loot merged in 1 loot table. Same for achievements.

So you can only pick raid difficulty, Normal / HC or Mythic, and thats it.

Not too bad for someone who apparently ‘‘isnt’’ affected by this suggested ‘‘change’’.

To even help out with better options.

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They should follow your advice and check the difficulties they’re on? Right?

So what situation is there going to be for these other poor players going there for other gains?
Why would they use mythic and actually want 10 normal or heroic instead of 25 normal or heroic?
Oh yeah, they wouldn’t do that.

Removing stuff from the game isn’t good, removing content just like that makes the game smaller.

A better solution would be to make it more obvious what the difficulty is, yes… more obvious than the writing at the start, or the minimap icon.
Maybe have the difficulty selection when entering the raid, to select(no defaults, actually checkboxing something) and then confirm it.

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Lets see:
Differences between 10 man HC / 25 man HC and 10 man normal / 25 man normal:

  • Glory of the "Raid’’ achievement
  • Different transmog sets / colors
  • Raid specific quests / unlocks

Etc etc.

You wont remove anything, you are simply merging loot tables.
And you simply select normal / heroic or mythic.

Currently, if you enter SoO on HC, it ‘‘scales’’ to 10 players according to your minimap, but rewards 5-6 pieces of loot because it is legacy content.
So it takes out selecting the 10 or 25 player ‘‘version’’ out of it and just lets you focus on the rewards you want.

So if you want Invincible, all you need to know is: it can only drop from HC, and you simply set it to HC.
Doesnt matter if its scaled to 10 or 25 players, because you can already solo it because the content is obsolete.

Changing legacy raids to have bigger loot tables / remove the 10 player variants doesnt hurt the game, especially not if you are already soloing said content with a breeze anyway.

Only exception you might to add would be to ‘‘delay’’ it by an expansion, so that BFA content isnt classed as ‘‘legacy’’ content yet and you have to run those raids with 5-8/20 people, depending on difficulty.

1: there are no defaults at all at this time.
2: The ‘‘checkmark’’ section is there and you just have to check it before you enter said raid.
3: said section ‘‘confirms’’ your difficulty choice by showing you that it will be 25 man / heroic in the chat / minimap.
4: if the above isnt the difficulty you need, you are right there at a portal to zone out of said raid and change said ‘‘checkmarks’’ in said dropdown menu on your character.

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You obviously misunderstood. I asked why would anyone put up the highest difficulty but actually want to go to lowest one?

You actually are… there are raids where you can do both difficulties in a lockout.
Maybe if those were left alone.

  1. There actually is, the default is the last used difficulty setting prior to selecting mythic. Just tested it half an hour ago.
  1. That section always has a difficulty selected. I said no defaults.
  1. And yet players still make mistakes, go figure. You yourself said above that it happened to you.
  1. Idk if you’re being dense on purpose, but this is clearly about not noticing this and killing a boss and getting locked to it. Now you can’t do what you just advised…
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Because of different rewards, which they can miss out on if they dont understand the ‘‘new and improved’’ always select highest difficulty if you choose the mythic difficulty.

So its one of the failure points for other players, creating issues for them who might make the same thread as the OP and the same mistake.

Which you should also be able to do if you merge loot tables regardless.
Since HC 10 / 25 loot tables and Normal 10 / 25 loot tables are different.

Which isnt the same as a ‘‘default setting’’ but when i told you this 30 posts earlier it wasnt true and i didnt prove a thing, and now you ‘‘tested it’’ and its correct?

Okay, you do you. Mr. Troll :smiley:

Which makes sense, you cant enter a raid without any difficulty selected because currently it is a ‘‘requirement’’ before entering.
Because raids might have a different ‘‘layout’’ if you enter in another difficulty, try finding the Ra-den room on the normal map.

Which players still will if you just give them your ‘‘ingame’’ selection tool.
They might pick the wrong difficulty because of being misinformed or whatever else.
This issue wont just go away by changing the current system.

Yeah, mistakes can be made. Which isnt limited to: i killed the boss and now i am saved.
It started with the mistake of ‘‘assuming’’ you were in the right instance in the first place, or that Mythic ‘‘should’’ have put you in the highest possible difficulty.

Overall, the current system works fine for almost anyone, and only becomes an ‘‘issue’’ if they lose out on 1 reset of a chance for a mount.
Just look at the OP, his main reason to ‘‘fight’’ for a change is his mistake.

Its a very clear and small ‘‘frame’’ to select difficulties and shows you your difficulty you picked in 2 ways on the default UI. (chat and minimap)

But rest assured, ill leave your precious ‘‘echo chamber’’ alone now.
Its time for some sleep.

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They are selecting the highest difficulty, if they knew they wanted 10normal, they’d have selected that. The system does not give an advantage in this case, their latest could have been 25 heroic.
How can you fail to comprehend this twice??

If you merge loot tables completely, you’d have to make only 1 difficulty. This is removing content from the game, it may be old, but it’s still content.
And that means also removing the chance to do multiple difficulties to get loot for each, like HFC.

Maybe you shouldn’t try to burn the garbage under the rug. You failed to comprehend how the system actually works.
Look here of what bullcrap you spew:

You didn’t even understand what the issue was.

It DOES default to 10 man normal if that was the last setting used before you set it to mythic.
Because that’s the logic of the system as it is now, it DEFAULTS TO THE LAST DIFFICULTY SET PRIOR TO SETTING IT TO MYTHIC.
So i see very clearly that you’re either trolling or dense as a rock. Both are issues with yourself.
Or you have issues with understanding, since “default setting” is in regards to what logic the system is using, which is last used raid setting, meaning it’s its default setting.

It’s the same thing as when changing from inside the raid. And Ra-den’s room is at the end of the raid, you’d have killed plenty of bosses before then, so your little example is irrelevant.

Ah the old, why change it, cause something else might go wrong. You can keep your stagnant way of thinking to yourself.

Same stagnant thinking. Why improve something, another issue will occur down the line.

Maybe you should focus on your mistakes when getting a wrong lockout and leave the OP to his.
The current system uses a nonsense logic, as defaulting to latest used is rarely what anyone wants, as opposed to closest difficulty below.

And so clear it was, that you yourself, the one who spews:

Ended up doing:

Maybe you should actually follow your own advice, mister troll.
The system is flawed, with multiple fail points(that can be improved upon), for which you yourself demonstrated to failing to. The irony is astounding.

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Probably you had it in normal before and then changed to mythic and nothing happened.

Mythic does not change anything, thats the thing. If it was in heroic and you put it in mythic, it is still heroic. If it was in normal and you put it in mythic, it is still normal.

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Muchisimo texto bro relax

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This can be said for the current way of selecting your difficulty.

The mythic difficulty setting does nothing when selected for raids before Siege of Orgrimmar.

For all the rest, you had answers to all those remarks and keep repeating the same silly viewpoints, saying it would be so much better if it would be changed.

Just add 25 man heroic loot like mounts to 10 man heroic.
No content removed.

And 10/25 man normal merged into 1 table.

Keeps normal and heroic difficulties for all raids, you just have to select the right difficulty.

Which still wont remove the issue OP described and will still trigger posts like these because people “wasted” a week worth of a reset because they picked the wrong difficulty.

The difficulty system never was an issue, until OP missed out 1 week in his farm for a 1% drop.
And now all of a sudden its a major issue.

Whats next, asking Blizzard for 3 lockouts because you went on holiday for 3 weeks and missed out on 3 weeks worth of chances on a 1% mount?

Doesnt this apply to the OP?
We dont have a need to read about his mistake, and he should just understand and own up to his mistake and go like: ah well, i now know to make sure i am in the right difficulty.

Instead of blaming a difficulty setting system we have for 12 years now.

Yeah, i made a mistake.
Weird right? We are all human and can make mistake.

But the mistake was made by myself because i didnt change the difficulty for the raid and “assumed” it was in the right difficulty.

But that same “mistake” could have been made with your suggestion.

Because putting it in the highest setting by “default” would have also put me in the wrong raid lockout and would have disabled the chance for the stuff i was after.

Doesnt matter what you “default” it to, aslong as you have multiple difficulties and settings for said content, you can always make this mistake. So you arent fixing anything with changing a default setting.

But the difference is: i dont blame anyone else for my personal mistake. I did put it in the wrong difficulty and that lost me a chance at an item.

But i didnt get all salty and worked up about it, i just went: ah well, another chance next week.
And just made sure i wouldnt make that mistake again.

But its nice to see you are cherry picking the replies and quotes. Because when i said i made mistakes i also said i was aware of it and just went: ah well next week.

Anyway, i am done with the discussion.
I will leave your echo chamber alone.

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