…but have no issues with how this clownfiesta is a Blizzard publicity for promoting the Horde as THE raiding faction?
They could have done plenty to mitigate the damages this media circus is causing to the faction imbalance by arranging world firsts PER FACTION, but apparently no one cares about that. All hail the Horde, I guess…
A: Blizzard doesnt care about the race. Its a community thing.
B: At this point giving Alliance some PR or buffing them would have no effect as the Racials are of lesser concern for people nowadays give how pretty much 90% are horde. Otherwise you would have Limit and Echo faction change back and forth as one of them had done so during BFA. Racials are one thing. Splits with the community another.
C: Conspiracy theory
D: Removing factions is the only way to fix this mess at this point.
if blizz cared about faction balance, the game director wouldn’t push players that like high elves to reroll horde.
WFR is a community made thing, Blizzard has little to do with it.
I am not sure if you checked though, but I recall that most introductory videos made for a raid opening since BFA were more often than not showcasing Alliance side.
Also it is not the weekend yet, save your Horde bias screeching for that time for maximum effect.
probably would be the best option now, but Blizzard can not realy do it yet, there is still to many alliance players arround, and if they do it now, the outcome would be a huge cry fest from both sides, though if they wait a little bit longer, the alliance will most likely drop to arround 20% whit no raiding or M+ beeing done, then merging the factions would have no significant impact on the players anymore, becuse most are horde at that point anyways, and the crying would be a minimum at that point, and Blizzard would not se to many people who quit then.
though questions is how long will it take before to many quits anyways, due to other problems whit the game.
About that… WFR is heavily fronted by the Blizzard-owned WowHead, and Blizzard themselves are well aware of the event as they even are enforcing hotfixes and polishing the raid bosses for the WF.
It all boils down to CATCHING THE BALL and TAKING RESPONSIBILIY. Surely blizzard could acknowledge their part on the developer side and make sure guilds from all regions are on equal foot regarding raid opening and resets. More importantly and relevant to this thread, they could cooperate with their own Wowhead to create publicity per faction in order to endorse competitive raiding on the Alliance as well as they already are endorsing Horde raiding.
If more guilds gets their eyes up for Alliance WF, it will at least make some competition and publicity, showing that Alliance raiding exists. Despite obviously loosing to the Horde for every boss, attention helps much more for the faction than being COMPLETELY IGNORED.
Its owned by Tencent. Not Blizzard.
Because it serves them as a perfect test environment because you cant have better players test your stuff so its ready for when everybody else arrives (followed by additional nerfs further down the line) and already knocks out potential unintended cheeses like Echos tactic to reduce sylvanas health during P2 even further with the add tactic.
That would require for them to support the world first race. They dont. Its the same scenario as with boosting. Its there. Its from the community. And they tolerate it. They wont however cater towards it and use it for their personal goal. The race is already suffering from many things and not just the world wide releases of the tier.
Again, its owned by Tencent. Not Blizzard. Yes Tencent owns a share of Blizzard but that doesnt mean WoWhead belongs to Blizzard. Its a fan site monetized by Tencent.
They are not endorsing raiding on the Horde side. And even if they would do what you want it would not cause players to go back to Alliance as the drawbacks right now from doing so are absolutely ridiculous. Especially as someone that isnt part of a mythic guild. If youre a casual (and with that in this context i mean anyone that mainly pugs) then the Alliance is the faction you dont want to be in.
The same will happen as it does currently with the Alliance Hall of Fame. As in it is regarded as a welfare title.
My bad, my memory had that impression but it indeed seems to be wrong.
As opposed to boosting this event is affecting the game to a bigger extent regarding faction imbalance and that is why Blizzard shouldn’t stick to letting the raiders be betatesters and ignore the opportunity they are served for each raid patch.
They are advertising Horde as the raiding faction. It goes without saying that every top-end PVE guilds are Horde guilds, and Wowhead is among with Blizzard ignoring the opportunity to be anything more than media outlets for the Horde guilds and take responsibility for mitigating the faction imbalance. And what are we Alliance to do when both Blizzard and the community ignores our existence? Faction change just to get playable PvE? How is that fair for the decreasing minority we are in a game that is supposed to be two-faction MMO?
The big difference between Allianse World First and Alliance Hall of Fame is that the latter only is a quantitative measure which only illustrates how small the Alliance raiding community is. Alliance World First obviously would be a more causal competition than Horde WFR, but it would give much needed media attention to Alliance raiding without the HoF laughing stock.
You obviously are not a fan of welfare, but if the winner takes all and the loser faction is to be crippled and lost, dying in a ditch, what is then left of the two-faction WoW that people want this game to be?
The ingame story goes in direction if a faction merge, but even cross-fasction PvE wont happen this expansion. Until then the Alliance needs welfare to be playable.
Not really. At this point the Alliance is beyond salvation. The top guilds wont suddenly go Alliance to boost that up. And if they have superior racials then they would go alliance, clear the tier and then return. As limit had done during Uldir.
The top raiders are the best testers you can have. No dev would even come close to that. The lead dev, ion, for instance is just a middle of the pack raider.
No they arent. They, as in blizzard, isnt advertising this whatsoever. The top guilds are Horde for a vast number of reasons. Thats just how it is. Blizzard only said “ye here is your community created world first race. Have fun i guess”.
There are a lot of reasons why people are horde. At this point, again, its beyond salvation. If you go Alliance as someone that mainly pugs youre only to end up shooting yourself in the foot.
Aha. And where is the community ignoring your existence? Correct. It isnt. Everybody is aware that the Alliance is dead.
No. Remove factions in their entirety. Factions dont make any sense whatsoever since TBC.
Its a player created issue.
Alliance WFR would be a laughing stock. Just like Alliance Hall of Fame is.
Even if they would magically advertise alliance WFR (again, its a community thing) at 9.2 it would have no effect on people going Alliance. Youre way better off pestering Blizzard about getting factions removed.
I am not saying that top guild will go (back) to Alliance because of Alliance WFR with no further incentives, but it will shed some light on the current top Alliance guilds and encourage activity and competition on Alliance side.
Which is why Blizzard should take the opportunity to show appreciation for the testing by making a fair global event out of it.
Here is an analogy of the faction situation we are in right now:
Two children are living with their neglecting parents in a world where there are no child protection servises or anything like that. They are twins born on the same day. The child named Horde is liked and embraced by their parents and are popular within the community. Their twin named Alliance is mostly being ignored, but get spanked whenever they show they are capable of anything. Alliance doesn’t have any friends either.
The date closes in on their birthday and their parents allow them to celebrate the birthday as they want. However, the parents only will be around to pick up trash, do the dishes, and repair anything that breaks.
Horde is celebrating their birthday with the community and have a great day. Meanwhile the Alliance is crying all day alone in their room.
What I am arguing for is that as long as the parents are as neglecting as they are, the community should take the responsibility to arrange a decent birthday for both the Alliance and the Horde, where the Alliance is included and can have a good day making friends.
You are here again only stating Blizzard’s and the community’s current approach, meanwhile I am arguing for what they should do.
The question about faction removal is a tad complicated. My opinion is that as long as WoW is intended to be a two-faction MMO with distinct faction wall, regardless of how neglected the faction balance is, a faction merge without a new faction replacement is a bad thing as it destroys WoW as a two-faction game. So no, I am not in favour of faction removal only to save PvE regardless of how dead the Alliance is.
The only faction removal I would like to see is a faction merge based upon the faction development in the lore. And indeed, the lore have been going in this direction since TBC, and I am even arguing for an effective faction merge happening in 10.0 here: Let's have a faction merge in 10.0!
It is due to that thread that I really do not want to have the faction removal/merge discussion here too because the subject in this thread is about making Alliance playable until a faction merge actually happens. There is no help saying that Alliance is dead and the only solution is a faction merge if it takes blizzard another 5 expansions to implement it without backfire from the half of the players that ideologically opposes faction merge.
What are we Alliance players to do until then?
Like many have mentioned beforehand, the whole “World First” competition is a fan-made concept. No one gets anything special besides a “good job” tweet from Blizzard when they get a world first. If anything, the current system that a 100 (I think?) guilds have to defeat the last boss of the raid on mythic on both the Horde and the Alliance in order to unlock cross-realm mythic runs was a great idea on Blizzard’s behalf, as it should (theoretically) interest more people to play Alliance for an easier Halls of Fame spot. Didn’t work well, though.
The only thing that could possibly be done to change things would be to make massive changes in the Alliance’s favour so that a lot of people would be required to faction change to not fall behind (massive buffs to racials, for instance), but that’d just create the same issue but on the opposite end.
I’m no game developer, so I’m definitely not the most competent person around to fix this faction issue, but the only real solution that I can think of, would be to make faction be able to raid/M+/PvP together. This could (in theory) attract more people to play the race they like instead of being “forced to play X or Y because my friends/guild do”. This would also just allow the already few remaining Alliance players to find more people to play, and fix this whole thing.
But like I said, I’m no game developer, and I’m sure that such a change would require a ton of work and changes. It is, however, the only solution that I can really think of right now.
I do understand what you mean but it’s the wrong context, ie RWF being a community driven event rather than a Blizzard made event.
Talking aboot those, MDI is a prime example of what I’d call “faction hypocrisy” since teams are playing Alliance on tournament realms but are playing Horde on live realms, which is quite hypocrite because that actually means factions don’t matter to them. I brought this subject up to former guild mates who were against faction barrier being removed, because they’re playing Horde so they don’t understand why it has to be done, while saying it’s fine that jdtob and sjele are playing Alliance chars during MDI. I quite don’t understand the reasoning…
You cant. Unless you get every top 10 raider to meet in a single country and wait for the “go!”. Timezones make a “fair global race” an impossibility.
Ye i dont care. They arent advertising Horde and thats that.
This was in response of you saying they advertise horde. Which they dont.
No it isnt. Its an outdated concept. One that many games nowadays dont even consider to begin with. And from a lore perspective its outdated since TBC. We have a two faction system because of the lore of Warcraft 1 to 3. Because of “humans vs orcs”.
Well, even war 3 showed that orcs and humans can work together so they can save their lives. Also, we should have gotten 4 factions, because nelves and forsaken make no sense at all in their factions from war3 perspective.
You’re promptly ignoring the ways global races can done - one doesn’t have to do a global raid opening. One could have regional openings to regional times, and the time from raid opening to the first raid have killed last boss become the threshold for the World First-title. Anyway, this thread is NOT about regional issues.
Of course you don’t.
Of course not when it goes without saying that only faction x is capable to anything. The message is loud and clear, Horde is the go-to faction for anything, while the Alliance is ignored or trashtalked.
Which have defined World of Warcraft as a two faction-based MMO. It is fine that you don’t like the faction system, and it is indeed in need of a huge remake in order to be sustainable in addition to fit the lore, but do not blame the faction system just because blizzard is incapable of making necessarily adjustments and regulations as the expansions went on.
Factions shouldn’t be a barrier for anything, and should only be a RP/PvPRP element. But again, this leads back to Let's have a faction merge in 10.0! which goes outside the subject of this tread. If you really want to discuss factions, that thread is still open.
And most importantly:
Nelves ye. Forsaken actually it depends. They wanted to join the Alliance at first given their Human history. The Alliance refused and wanted to “retake” lordaeron. Which led them into the arms of the Horde which during Vanilla was nothing but a band of several races fighting for survival. Given the Forsaken werent Loyal to the Horde at that time (and sylvanas was only Loyal towards thrall) but developed that over time im fine with the forsaken in this regard.
You said a fair global race. Unless the raids launch at the same time for everybody while everyone has the same irl time they wont be fair.
I dont care because your comparison is utter bull. Not because of your justified assumption that i despise you.
Which isnt true and which isnt advertised.
No it isnt.
Its not ignored. It however cant be fixed at this point. And its not “trash talked” in the fashion you want to make it out to be.
Outdated concept.
Who said that? I said its outdated. Which it is.
Even if you would apply all of that now it wouldnt change anything.
They are not. You can still raid high as alliance, you can still do high keys, high pvp etc etc.
It doesnt take 5 expansions to implement it. As for the people that would go and cry about = tough luck. Factions dont make sense whatsoever since TBC ontop of it being an outdated concept that so many other MMOs have just dusted because its not feasible outside of PvP and for that such games have sub factions
What exactly are you trying to achieve by replying to me in such a passive-aggressive manner? You are very obsessed with dominating me in this thread without actually reading my arguments. Surely this drives up our post counts, but it makes a pretty strange conversation to follow.
I reply to pretty much everyone in a “passive-agressive manner”. This is regardless of me not liking you whatsoever.
I am reading your arguments. I simply disagree with them and find them to be bull.
Who cares about post counts?
It’s…well, I give up XD
More seriously, it’s outdated yet they’re not willing to shatter that damn useless wall once and for all…
It was in the middle of WoD when the community has chosen (alot unsubscribed)
the horde as europes faction