This is probably a “get gud” thing but my rogue is my last class to level and I am so terrible on it. I can’t even do the gorm matriach quest…How do people play these things? Is the shadow spec the wrong one? For me even mages are less squishy…
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pulling one by one and delete mobs in a stun lock.
I don’t have any trouble with my lvl 58 rogue which had terrible starting gear.
But true, all other classes are probably easier to level and can pull however they want as they all have recover/tank mechanics, except mage and rogue.
Mage has the advantage it can do massive burst and mobs are usually dead before they reach you, but also has a harder time to pull 4 enemies for example.
outlaw can certainly pull more than sub rogue and assa who basically only have single target spells that are without gear also underwhelming.
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We usually wait in stealth untill someone come around and tag along… 
Jokes aside, Rogue is a complex class and a bit squishy
You have to be carefull with the pulls, and poof, vanish if you accidently pulled more than you could handle, we have a panic button, two if you are a Night Elf
Use your vial on cooldown and pack a few tons of healing potions
The class requires high situational awarness to be honest, and you always need to be on guard to know when to use and what cc you have and your sapped mob when will “awake” - not to mention wich mobs are immune to what, not everyone could be stunned by kidney!
As an outlaw you have a small advantage in the form of the “aoe” (yeah, sure, lets call that) you have, as a Sub… ehh… not really
Assassionation… maaaaaabye, with the crimson, but dots are while nice and all, not the best for leveling and such; most of the mobs, especially the rares tend to step on you, fast, and you don’t have the luxury of time to wait to the dots do their job… we are not Warlocks to have a tanky pet to keep them occupied while the mob die from borderom…
Not gonna lie, the necrolord little fleshcraft shield saved my cute furry behind numerous time, it was always just enough to survive…
All and all, the best tacktic is to befriend a Tank and team up, while he tries not to die, you could really shine
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I took Kyrian on mine 
I am never able to do the group quests either while I can usually solo them on all my other chars…
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I found it bursts really hard, I use my defensives a lot like evasion and feint.
Stun, Sap, blind.
Play dirty, like a true rogue should.
I do agree with you though, after playing other classes, I’d say rogue is the most complex, well as complex as you can get ib wow.
Wait until you try Thorghast… 
Don’t bother doing it solo. Do it with a group that has a tank.
I have 5 chars at level 60 now, and rogue feels the weakest in multiple areas: open world, raid, and dungeons (although they are OK there as Outlaw, and I hear Assassin is viable now as well).
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I haven’t found rogue that jarring compared to other classes solo, and rogue was my original BFA main. Doing Torg in week one was a hell of a trip, but I did it and managed to get to layer 8 solo completed in the first week it was available on my rogue.
Rogues simply have to remember to use their stuns where necessary and don’t be skimpy with crimson vial. Don’t hold onto cooldowns where you may need them, for example evasion or CLoS, if you get adds blind them.
Rogue damage is every bit as capable as other classes and they can delete things just as quick, but they (other than Outlaw) lack ready-made AOE and all specs lack burst aoe so they can’t mow down packs like other classes, rather they move from mob to mob one by one very first.
I remember when my rogue got the Mantle of the Master Assassin leggo (I played Outlaw, then Sub) and once I did at about 180ish ilevel (this was very early in the season, the first week when pvp gear went up to 184 ilevel) I deleted most mobs incredibly quickly as they’d die before my crit buff expired.
Regarding elite mobs they were soloable but it would occasionally involve silly games (kiting with vial and building CP at range before engaging with kidney).
Basically as a rogue, when fighting the tough mobs, you cannot simply facetank and expect to win unless you’re megageared, you will have to stun at the right moment, occasionally kite a bit and play a bit dirty. Rogues are meant to control their pulls very carefully, hence why they get stealth, so if you’re entering situations where you have more than one elite mob aggroed, you need to rethink how you are approaching the situation.
As mentioned I soloed torghast layer 8 on my rogue the first week it was available - this required me to split pull packs with stuff like sap/blind and vanishing to reset enrage stacks etc. Rogues have the highest amount of situation control in the game so you absolutely need to use it.
I don’t really know much about assy as I haven’t played it in PvE/PvP in SL, but with all the dots i’d imagine they’re very good at situational rot kiting which is a definite boon. Outlaw is easily the best at open-world content as they have RtB which can juice them up to high heaven, give them sustain and they have a reliable (and somewhat potent) ranged CP builder that snares the target allowing them to back off as needed but retain momentum.
Sub has it hardest in PvE as they need to pour a lot into a mob to kill it if it’s elite and their damage drops off in a big way once the burst window ends. They should save their stuns/controls for when their burst is down and they’re trying to get it back up and rot kite if needed during this time, using ST to build CP and only engaging to dump evis/kidney before backing off.
ALso remember rogue defensives are VERY powerful and can turn a battle. For example if I get overwhelmed in Perdition Hold (add heaven) things can go south for me and I have a freaking pet tanking for me. My defensives do little to buff my pet and they don’t really save me from death very reliably. Where my pet takes aggro from many mobs at once, I have to Health Funnel it A LOT which slows down dps a lot and slowly kills me.
As a rogue evasion literally makes you immune to most of what mobs do, for every mob so long as you face them frontally. You can use it to buy precious time to finish and burst a single mob out of the equation and then control the other more slowly for the kill.
Not saying lock solo is ahrder than rogue (it ain’t) but i’d found I tend to survive more as a rogue when fighting elites where they add thanks to my “lifesaver tools” whereas I cannot easily escape or avoid such situations on my lock which means if they happen to me (ie some idiot trains me with their mobs and my felguard cleaves them as they go by) i’ll usually end up dead. Arrrgh.
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i think everyone got a class they can’t fully level them up.
I know for me it’s death knight.
But for some it’s warrior , rogue etc or anything
I’ve had the easiest and most enjoyable time so far doing Torghast solo on my Sub Rogue… lol
Some of the powers are massive damage if yer lucky to get a few stacked, and being able to zip around with Shadowstrike and stealth is really fun imo.
Each to their own I guess 
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I have no clue either, OP. I decided to challenge myself and threw myself into leveling a Rogue through TBC questing content only. I think it burned me out of leveling the most.
He’s still stuck in Blade’s Edge Mountains.
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TBC is a rough ride for anyone! All those low drop rate and kill 200 mobs quests…with massive zones and “old world” mechanics like mobs randomly stunning you for several seconds or cursing you with a debuff that lasts for ages…no thanks!
Been levelling a second rogue (horde instead of ally) and i’ve found WoD to be pretty smooth. I mean killing the ogre in frostfire on top of the tower was a complete pain in the bum, but i did manage to get him down using a bit of cheeky kiting and up and down the tower with dots! But outside of that it’s pretty smooth and seems quick enough, especially now he has flying. WoD is pretty good for levelling overall imo. It’s certainly my TW of choice.
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Honestly every time I’m on my rogue I think “why should I play this instead of feral druid” 
The Shadowstrike spell is fun though. But feral druid has or had the same kind of spell aswell so…
Pro tip in the open world, if ya find yerself falling to your doom, you can go into stealth mid-air and use shadowstrike on a target below and completely negate the fall damage
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Rogue is a class that looks cool and it is usually OP and annoying to play against, but when I log onto my Rogue I’m kinda just like eh… this is kinda boring…
It’s fun in world PVP, but PVE it puts me to sleep.
I wouldn’t level as sub though. Icy-Veins recommends it but I think the other two are simple and to the point, not much to screw up.
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Never tried assassination before but combat or w/e it’s called now was quite fun. She is 58 now so will just stick with it I guess
I switched to outlaw from sin spec and it helped immensely, I’m still squishy but seems to flow better with a more regular dps output and I survive more - sadly crimson vial and vanish are likely the most regularly buttons mashed 
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Rogue used to be fun but this expansion sucked all fun out of the class.
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I’m slowly leveling my rogue…
The good thing is you can reset, if you do a bad pull or something…and you have a lot of control…
Don’t try to face tank 2+ mobs though, unless you push on control and defensives. Some elites/rares can give you a run for your money even with cds though… not all of them, just some of them.
My biggest problem is the same you can see many players talk about…out of cds the thing runs on fumes…it has great front loaded damage, yet if you find yourself out of cds just reset and wait…or if you opened, played everything and target has half hp(elite/rares) …then reset immediately.
Now we’re always talking about leveling content… the problem persists later, but at 60s the content you need is group content most of times and quests are less of trouble because you’ll have some gear/damage…
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Don’t forget Recuperator (Endurance Conduit)
Thanks to that, you basically “forced” to use Slice and Dice on cooldown
With that conduit, it will heals you for up to 43.2%% of your maximum health over 36 sec at max (but even on 200 its decent)
I don’t play rogue (anymore), screw Slice and Dice. Would’ve loved to get back to outlaw