That’s rich coming from a demon!! 
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My nelf is not a fan. He started selling “I hate Horde” merchandise after BFA.
A dash of Daelin Proudmoore.
"Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you.”
Finish with a cup of “I warned you about the orcs bro. I told you dog. It keeps happening.”
That’s how Karinar feels.
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Like a prime target for a multistage pyramid scheme.
You can regain your honour and restore your glory for a low, low price.
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You have my attention.
He ain’t wrong though: Horde and genocide go together like cream and custard. Only less tasty. Always talking about honour and such, but all it takes is a little push and they’re back to mass-murder again 
… is what my Alliance character thinks. Among other things!
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That’s pretty much the entire Warcraft universe. The universe itself was created because of two opposing forces (Light & Void) wanting to erradicate one another.
Mork and Gork would have a blast of a time in this fantasy setting.
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It’s funny in a terrible kind of way. At the time Daelin was a war veteran with PTSD and good reasons to hate orcs. In Frozen Throne killing him was framed as a sad necessity so everyone could move forward and build a peaceful, prosperous future.
Fast forward to WoW. After Garrosh and Sillyvanas. No matter how much blizz keeps calling him the villain, Daelin just looks like the most sensible man on Azeroth.
What a farce. IC I hate Horde but OOC I feel sorry for Horde players to have their faction so undermined.
If I had a Horde char, they’d be questioning why the frell the horde still exists, it’s leadership routinely lapse into insane warmongering, it’s honorless, murderous, slaugterous even and filled with blind fools who go along with it all, even though they’ve all seen to what terrible ends such madness leads. What is the Horde for they’d wonder? It doesn’t seem to be for anything good.
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He doesn’t view the Horde. It’s a senseless hodgepodge of nations without shared interests.
Now, Horde splinter groups…Darbakh quite likes them. They keep the nasty casserole of the new Horde in check. Grimtotem tauren, blood trolls, fel orcs, and Calia Menethil…they’re quite useful. And at least they tend to have a common vision.
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Ghormisa views the Horde as interesting but her own upbringing denies her any meaningful kinship.
She keeps the Horde at a half arms length but is curious about her descendants of the Bleeding Hollow Clan. She is comfortable being in both a Human-esque and Orcish world of her own.
My Helf SH Paladin is a defector. She was never comfortable around undead or the Forsaken and their cruelty ramping up in the 4th war and the actions of the Horde against the Kaldorei and Teldrassil she could not reconcile with her faith and thus she defected. Though the stories of the Mag’har about the Lightbound terrified her.
My Priestess is like “Okay you’re Horde but I’m not your enemy. Want some snacks and sitting down in the shade to read? We can be friends still!”
Orc Merc: Much like the Alliance. Their gold is as good as anyone’s.
My Illidari will use portals in Orgrimmar but her attitude towards the Horde is much as it was before she joined Illidan. Mongrels mostly.
She barely interacts with them but worldly politics isn’t something she ever deals with always moving around.
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This is a very valid point, imo. I get IC is IC, but after all these tyrants (and enthusiast mass murderers) you’d think Horde characters would begin to wake up and question their faction’s purpose.
It’s funny, you know? In a way Warcraft III felt like a better plot
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Fortunately we always have the Alliance to remind us that the alternative is to get wiped out by expansionist zealots 
Even though they’ve left the Horde alive how many times now after winning? About three times?
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I can only think of one and that one came in the form of “kept in camps as slaves and entertainment while their culture was eradicated” or. Y’know. Wiped out.
Which one, the one where they put the orcs in camps which made the Alliance crumble because the other 2/3rds wanted to mass-execute them, the one which had all of the Horde (excluding the Kor’kron and the Dragonmaw) switching sides to fight alongside the Alliance, or the one where Saurfang pulled Sylvanas’ mask down and the entire Horde (even Sylvanas’ most loyal forsaken supporters) instantly switched sides and opened the gates?
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I’d say all three of those. Dekarn spoke of Alliance wiping out the Horde. Which hasn’t happened in all those three times. Maybe the alternatives weren’t always better, but they were not wiped out.
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In hindsight, the camps were obviously a terrible thing. Although in the context of the time I can’t fully blame them for existing. In the aftermath of the First and Second Wars; all anyone knew about Orcs was their ruthless barbarism, laughing as they burnt, pillaged and slaughtered their way through the known world.
It was definitively a mercy to keep them alive, after all that they’d done. Even if that mercy was twisted by the likes of Blackmoore and his ilk.
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Potential market.
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And the guy responsible for the slave labour and gladiatorial fighting was being investigated by the Alliance, and the orcs were themselves arguably to a degree responsible for the eradication of their own culture - their lethargic nature kept them from passing their knowledge on to new generations.
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A pointless relic of an era of corruption, violence and dishonor.
To echo the points raised above about the logic behind the Horde even functioning after what? Two genocidal warchiefs in the space of a few years? Then on top of that decades of corruption and conquest before that.
Funny how Azeroth has its longest era of peace when… THERE IS NO WARCHIEF? Funny that.
I think the only characters who would feasibly see the Horde as a ‘good’ thing are those who are supremely ignorant characters, which are totally valid by the way, progressing from ignorance to enlightenment is always a good story arc.
Or characters which I would be calling into question the motivations of the player behind the out of place ultra-nationalist jingoism.
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