How does your Character view the Horde currently?

My goblin here is an opportunistic anarchist and only cares for profit, not for politics. She is in the Horde because she can have her freedom to research what she wants and trades what she whats. The Alliance is all about rules and regulations, in the Horde everyone can mind his own business and embrace the values and culture they like. And the people of the Horde are the better customers. So yeah, the typical goblin salesman mentality.

I also have an old goblin horde loyalist, he was in the camps, helped built Orgrimmar and became member of the Horde even before the Bilgewaters joined them. He defended Orgrimmar despite knowing that Garrosh went mad cause it is his home, but he holds the ideals of the old New Horde of Thrall, Cairne and Gazlowe… living free in Kalimdor and build yourself what you need to live your life. He does not hate the Alliance and does not think its wise to fight for Ashenvale for another fifteen years, but he definitely prefers Horde over Alliance.

So, the selfish goblin and the loyal, honorable goblin both think the Horde gives them the freedom to do what they want to do, that’s why they like the Horde.

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The forsaken have a council, orcs now follow Thrall and are rediscovering their heritage much more prior to their corruption (Kosh’harg). Suffice to say I think most have indeed considered their stance, with Warchief rank being abolished.

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Mallory served with the Argents, so she’s come to believe that for all the evils that may have been committed in the name of one warchief or another, there’s small deeds of good committed by everyday folk - regardless of realm or allegiance. She’s met good orcs and bad orcs, and understands that enough blood has been spilled on both sides so that a foreseeable peaceful coexistence will be a struggle, and at worst fail entirely.

Except the Forsaken, though. The Forsaken are still stinky. Undead Menethils are stinky.

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Atahalni used to believe in the Horde, but hasn’t for a long while. To him, it went downhill really fast when they chose Saurfang over Sylvanas.

That being said, he isn’t a friend of the Alliance either and really doesn’t need a whole lot of convincing to go after them either. He doesn’t even understand why that is the case. He never had any personal grudges or such with them, all he knew is that he just thinks them as enemies, from a general PoV.

But he has worked with races from both factions, when it has been unavoidable or to his best interests.

He does have a natural dislike toward elves though, above all else with Velves because he is insecure about the fact that his use of void powers took such a heavy toll on him while they picked it up like picking an apple from a branch. That,+ the pride and arrogance.

So how does Atahalni view the Horde currently? As a tool. Many people and forces have manipulated and pulled the faction toward their desired goals as pawns or even sacrifice, why not him?

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As much as being self-aware about Horde’s setbacks is rational and somewhat productive even - Valteryl has bypassed that entirely, viewing Horde as faction he is indebted to, from a blood elven standpoint. He is a soldier and he knows his place in the world.

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As an Half-elf, having some old relationship with elves, humans and forsaken alike, she does think that the Horde is in a better state now that it’s in relative peace with Alliance.

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Just to add my own answer:

Gromp lives and bleeds Frostwolf clan, I don’t think he has ideas to a Horde much beyond that. He has a healthy distrust of Knife Ears, be they alliance or horde (They use too many big words).

Tauren are big and strong, so instant respect.

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Until recently, imperialism and doing a bang-up job of it, too. Depending on the character, their views are heavily coloured by this fact.

My old orc had a difficult relationship with the warmongering, being a traditionalist and hit a breaking point in BfA after which the character became essentially unplayable. Going rogue, said orc may or may not have found a way back under the new management but I’ve neither the time nor energy to play out that story.

My blood elves have had differing attitudes as staunch patriots loving their homeland and having very different views on the Horde as a tool of Thalassian restoration, a necessary evil or the last, best hope of a dying species. Generally, Garrosh’s misuse of their skills and lives is a big issue and the Regent Lord’s flipflopping either a disgrace or feats of a keen political mind.

As void elves are defectors, the exact same applies to them, each with their own long, negative history.

My kaldorei are mad and will stay mad unless something drastic changes. The defilers have desecrated too many lands and taken too many lives. Forgiveness is for fools. Renewal is a choice, but it just means having to defend against another assault soon.

Houjin have seen things for what they are, disappointed but determined to change things personally because inaction is injustice.

The draenei have bigger concerns than pursuing wars of vengeance but some are bitter. The less spiritual, the more spiteful as the practical realities of another world conquered by the Horde are intensely disagreeable and can’t be ignored by looking to faith.

Forsaken? The Horde was always a tool and continues to be so; a shield against those that would throw every free-willed undead on a pyre out of spite or even mercy. Preserving what they have is top priority. For q… council and county! Yes, definitely.

Generally, the consistent feature is that the Horde is servicable as a platform of member nations’ interests, pragmatically speaking but at its worst united in costly wars of conquest and at its best serving as the offensive front line against a threat to the world.

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I think that’s more of a Vanilla thing, considering that even BFA’s comically evil depiction of them had even the most loyalist of them all instantly switch to the rebel side the moment Sylvanas said that the Horde was nothing and opened the gates while sending their respects to Saurfang’s sacrifice, even if she did technically win the Mak’gora.

https://youtu.be/8NRLuUnpGYg?t=251

Besides that, yeah, I agree. The Horde’s main reason for existing, besides everything else, is banding together to survive, which would probably be a lot easier to do if they hadn’t gotten two warmongering leaders back to back for half a decade.

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Have you heard of the High Elves?

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A matter of priorities. The forsaken can no longer grow and must endure. By war, magic or profane sciences, that’s what matters. If the rest of the horde will graciousy come and die on a Lordaeron battlefield in their defence, good.

Consider that they were the dominant force in the Horde at the time so the God-Queen of the Horde effectively abdicated and gave her followers two fingers. It was personal at that point.

It’s a complex issue with a lot of nuance.

Merondill isn’t ancient by any means, he remembers a few hundred years of prosperity and peace with the Humans before the Wars and Dark Portal; he remembers how fondly he looks back at those times of utter peace and contentment nowadays and perhaps largely due to his faith and idealistic outlook in contrast to the snivelling cynicism of some older thousand-year-old elves he does think there is some sort of aspiration of peace that can be achieved, especially now that Turalyon has managed to secure three years thus far as of Dragonflight of true peace on Azeroth with the Horde - even working together with them in co-operative effort on the Dragon Isles.

But equally, until recently Merondill was Sin’dorei, albeit a priest who largely just spent his time isolated in Quel’Thalas and Silvermoon healing the sick, helping the needy and not involving himself overly with the Horde or Alliance conflicts because they never reached Quel’Thalas itself. What largely drove him over the edge was Teldrassil, then Lordaeron, then Brennadam and, finally, Sylvanas’ sheer insanity: a premeditated genocide of the universe itself, though he is unaware of just how deep the Shadowlands rabbit hole goes, knowing only that what she was up to was evidently no-bueno if it had restarted the Scourge on Azeroth and “shattered the Heavens asunder” to such a degree that the Lich King of all people was part of the efforts to stop her.

As for the individual races of the Horde itself, he has sincerely mixed feelings about a great deal of them:

Orcs are hated outright, the few always having to wrangle the sheer bloodthirst of the vast majority is always incredibly concerning.

Trolls are an ancestral enemy for the most part, though he acknowledges Vol’Jin attempted to be a good leader of a peaceful time and was taken perhaps far too soon and he is thankful for the Darkspear’s shared aid in helping dispatch the Amani.

Tauren he has no great qualms with, even respecting them for their similarly optimistic outlook towards peaceful endeavour and their reverence for nature.

Forsaken? Some of them were likely friends and allies before their undeath, he acknowledges their aid in the Ghostlands and Tranquillien but it contradicts his faith in the Holy Light, now even more so with the return of Calia Menethil; if nothing else, perhaps a cure could one day be found for the cursed denizens of Lordaeron to return them to true life.

The Sin’dorei are wayward kin, but shedding even more Elven blood, especially now, is a grave and unnecessary act he feels; better to wait with hope in his heart that families can one day be reunited in Quel’Thalas again when centuries have passed and the Horde and Alliance are but ancient memories in forgotten tomes.

Goblins are selfish and not to be trusted under any circumstance, they naturally deviate towards defiling nature and causing unnecessary destruction.

Dracthyr who sided with the Horde? It remains to be seen.

Mork: «The Horde? I serve my clan above all else, the Warsong. As long as my Clan serves the Horde, I will serve the Horde. This is the will of my Chief. I don’t mind. The Horde has peoples who are brave and proud of their traditions. They are ready to fight the whole world to preserve their identity and their independence. They are ready to kill, conquer and destroy for their own survival and glory. They do not hide their wishes behind lies and hypocrisies. I like this.

Of course, other things don’t appeal to me. Mah! It doesn’t really matter to me. I don’t like to think more than necessary. If something doesn’t pleases me, I smack it or kill it.»

Faldric (Human Paladin): The Horde is a legacy cursed with the blood of the innocent. A fragile alliance of peoples capable of the worst atrocities for their survival. Willing to sacrifice the world for this.

In the past, that’s how I saw them. Today…They have proven they can be honourable, ready to die for their people, for those they love, for what they believe in. They are ready to die rather than accept what they would never accept.

They are a threat to my people, they are a threat to the world. But I see qualities in them that we humans have forgotten. In our quest for survival and victory, we have become more like them than ever. And maybe even worse.

They are and will surely be our enemies for a long time to come. As long as they don’t turn away from this will to annihilate anyone who threatens their cruel and selfish way of life. But I respect them. I respect their determination and loyalty to their creed and origin. And I have faith that one day, the honor that inspires some of their people, will lead them to become just people and ready to defend justice and purity with as much ardor.

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On the list to be purged… for the balance of nature, of course.

It’s a faction of wildness, with the biggest mystery being how all these incoherent, freaky creatures are getting along while being so different. But now it’s her new home and a new hope that things will keep changing for the better. All races are peculiar and special in their own way, and a little sniff-sniff always discovers a new aroma and, possibly, a new friend. Interestingly enough, no Horde race scares her like the Alliance ones, and the red-and-black’s culture correlates with her lifestyle and habits.

My vulpera character does love the horde, but at the same time he feels like he doesnt belong.

When you are standing next to a giant orc and troll who looks at you in a disgusting way, as if you are a furry with nothing to contribute to the horde. and this is before even introducing yourself. you start wondering if you truelly belong.

but thats just a vulpera stereotype we get from both factions. we get bullied by pandas and worgen too, which is ironic because… you know. :panda_face: :wolf:

Traitors, nearly all of them. For a Huojin veteran who followed Sylvanas to the end, there are followers of a traitor High Warlord and followers of a traitor Banshee. And Ji Firepaw in need to preserve his isle over personal honor. Aside from him, the rest should have ended in the claws of N’Zoth. It’d only have made things better for everyone.

I just want to recognize Mork for not only answering in character, and in detail, but also for two different OCs with very differing perspectives.

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Betti’s view on the Horde has dimmed immensely. During the Fourth War she thought the Horde were a good cause to fight and profit for, but slowly became aware of the true nature of Sylvanas and distanced herself/allowed her troops to slip in minor acts of rebellion. Then since Sylvanas fell she thought the Horde improved for a while, but IC events since have caused her to really have little faith in the Horde and the only Horde left in her is her old principles on what honour is and her continued undying loyalty to the Bilgewater Cartel. If you ask her why the Battalion unit assigned to her company are rarely seen arching under Horde banners nowadays, she’ll just say she’s still waiting for an ‘apology’.

My Nightborne Aeldrys views the Horde more pragmatically. She puts very little stock in the Horde because they’re quick to distrust Elven kind and their magic, and they’ve proven to her that their views on the arcane and other magics are archaic at best. However they are useful to her own ends and she’ll always prioritise the Elven kingdoms and her close allies over the Horde and Alliance any day.

Meanwhile my Alliance characters like Mapton aren’t completely trusting of the Horde and know some will still attack them on sight, but they see more of the Horde as potential business partners now who have potential for cooperation in science and economic pursuits!