Yeah, Horde has this really impressive strategy of suicide running 20 male undead mages into Drek every 20 seconds because of a 0 cooldown trinket that teleports them from anywhere on the map directly to the approach of his keep.
Really strange how Horde CHOOSES to lose in 20 minutes and 30 deaths per mage, rather than take the 8 min loss and gain same honor. They must just be better PvPErs.
Doubt the norm is 50% mages in Horde BGâs. Or even 20% for that matter.
Alliance has the exact same trinket, with the added benefit that your GY Flag is right on top of where you end up.
Yes, how dare Horde try to defend and win. They should just give up and afk so they can insta-que to the next BG. Oh wait, wrong faction. We actually want to prolong the game somewhat so we actually, you know, get to play, instead of spending 80% of our /played AFK waiting for the que to pop.
From several hundred AVs of anecdotal experience, 10-12 seems to be the norm. 20 is mostly hyperbole, but it did happen once.
I would argue the proximity to Vann is an attacker advantage, rather than defender. We have to assign people to defend RH, which is out of the way and not as easily incorporated in the fight.
I donât really care for motivation. Iâm just pointing out that the Horde âstrategyâ is a degenerate zerg involving suiciding at Galv because of IB choke, then suiciding at IB, then recalling to keep. Their singular goal is forcing enough Alliance players to spawn back at SH, which makes it impossible to rejoin the south push thanks to mid map geometry significantly favoring Horde. Donât act like they are just good players and tactical masterminds.
Just to make your brain understand simple logic.
Alliance can premade because AV queues are near instant and have multiple shots at getting in the right instance
Horde canât because they donât have instant queue times and canât switch instances how they want it leaving it to one possibility > wait another 20 minutes and hope for the best or wait another 20 minutes again. And since there are more horde players than allys you canât get your premade in the same instance without someone else filling the spot near instantly.
Then go Alliance.
But that is a player/horde created Problem.
This guy is actually right. Only tho is far easy to regroup and call stuff while on discord compared to random hordes with a chat that some read some not and not everything written is done by many of them isnt it. Also u cant so the same discord thing cause when queue pops u cant decline that easy and re queue in effort to get same number of a game since u waited 25+ minutes isnt it ? Anyway yes it is learn to play i guess, but you saying it is like u suggest scrimish arena randoms have to learn how to beat a proper team ? Ye i guess not. And not only regrouping on discord but buffing , re buffing , healing and pol go with their groups asigned ⌠u cant beat this as a random unless they are really bad , and are just grouped in doscord but play as rabdoms. U cant rly beat coordinated group unless they fok up bad and u know it very well.
You can either reroll, or get anyone in the AV to join a Discord too.
Only one 17 year old intern works on Classic. So dont expect anything to be fixed!
Facepalm i guess⌠whos talking rerolling ? I am not even complaining for alli premades actually. I just respond to a person who said its l2p for scrimish arena guys to defeat a proper vocal a d coordinated team. Well it is not. They play together, they know what they are doing every time when facing different responds from the opposing team and they are used to fight as a team vs different approach enemies. Yes by the time all randoms joins the same discord make the groups and buffs, game will be over. Srsly why would u even say its the same. IT IS NOT and u know it! However, there is nothing wrong about it. The problems are the horde queues not the premades that we can actually do the same except u cant just decline 25- 30 min queue! Still i dont think alli are wrong doing it. Ofc they will do. But dont come telling me how we should learn to play . If we beat premade , they are just plain super BAD. Period.
what hinders the horde player to join a discord at the start of the AV ?
That is the horde problem then.
No the Horde queues are the result but they are not the problem. The queues are caused by the problem.
That is an important difference.
Gonna stop argue, u are just in denial for the sake of it! It wont be the same as pre established, class balance covered and geared group. But u keep telling yourself that randoms should be equal to pre formed and choosen players. Im talking about the 1-2 well grouped geared discord inv only premades that are actually good and geared . Not just random alli with discord. Anyway think what u want , its not l2p for the randoms. Still it is not wrong on alli side either! Ofc they will get good geared and good personal skills and awareness players and form a group, after all why would they play with randoms with insta queue⌠its a no brainer actually⌠if i was alliance i would do the same definitely. I am not and i wont be one just for the possibility and neither im whining about them having it the right way! But it is not l2p!
So what is your purpose here ? Because
is just wrong. They are the result of the root problem.
Only you see the queues them self as the problem. That shows your narrow sight.
That is just the phrase alliance heard here on these forums that they now throw back as the tables have turned.
Narrow sight⌠ok.
Why did you roll horde if you did not want to wait for bgs? If you ever played wow before classic it should have been evident that horde will have huge queues.
Well if you identify the result as the problemâŚ
Well only because it is a problem for you, but not the general problem. Pretty narrow sighted or egoistic. Call it what you will.
Obviously itâs easier to do as a premade, but itâs still doable as a pug. All you have to do is play as a team, communicate and work towards a common goal - which is winning. 9,9 times out of 10 a pug will lose against a premade, but itâs not because they use some exploit or have any unfair advantage, itâs literally because theyâre playing better than you are. Itâs not the premades fault youâre running around like headless chickens, offering them a free win.
Never said its premadeâs fault that we lose and never blamed alli for premades 
Just not agree with the term l2p when it comes to randoms vs well balanced and grouped team in anything being large scale, small scale bg or arena even pve raid race between pug and good guild group. Also when i say this i mean the really good 1-2 EU premades that are true premades with carefully invited players to discord and actually consist of really good and well geared players who communicate and heal and rebuff vs total randoms with few ppl good in it! Im just saying that you are not expected to beat such true premade therefore is not l2p for the randoms. Meanwhile 80% of âpremadesâ sux and lose btw
Dunno what happened but 1st week we lose a lot almost all the time, now when we actually try to defend and not race in a rush race , last 4 days are 82% win/los for me. Not even reading the chat⌠and many times vs bad premades like russians and even some mixed eu ones that play as randoms. But for example u are not suppose to win as randoms vs APES, unless they fokd up pretty bad.
Just stop playing , classic is a 15 year old broken game that people love for the bad mechanincs it has .
bad mechanics, but there are no better mechanics for mmorpg yet