And old wow was just running the same raids over and over and over again. Got a new raid tier? Doesn’t matter, still need to do the old raids aswell.
Main content of classic wow is leveling and exploration. Just the leveling process itself takes ages. At max level the goal is first to get pre-raid gear from dungeons. Then it is about doing raids. There usn’t really that much emphasis on endgame I think.
The game is very different than modern wow, so I don’t think Blizzard should copy it directly 1 to 1, but they need to think about how to create a similar experience emotionally. Or at least they should think about why classic can do so much with so little, and why immersion matters.
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Was that bad though? I remember my guilds through the years all spending the Wednesday on plowing through all the raids that were on farm for the people who still needed something, and then the following days were spent on progression, and often weekends were for alt raids.
You could actually be a full-time raider and play WoW and do nothing else but raid. Different days, different raids. Some days were farm raids, super chill and good vibes, and then other days were progression and serious business.
I kind of feel like the game has lost something there by having those sharp resets with every new tier. At least for the raiders it really narrows the gameplay down to a single raid and not much else but progression raiding all the time.
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The issue is: Everyone has a different emotion when it comes to different aspects of the game.
And I played from early TBC and once you got to level 70 it was raid and heroic dungeons. Which I enjoyed at the time as I had time to raid 4 nights a week. If raid was only content available now, I would just stop playing. Yes leveling was a journey, but even then we had guides for «fast leveling».
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Like I said to Broduin, I enjoyed that back then cause I had time to commit. During worlk I raided 7 nights per week, 4 days with my main 25 man raid group and 3 nights a week with my 10 man group. It was ok for its time, but wouldn’t be something I would want back tbh. I quite enjoy that dungeons are a viable endgame these days.
Only the first… mmmh let’s say first 3 times.
After that it was just repeating the same old motions or, like you said, find a guide to see how you could do it in the fastest way.
I want Blizzard to think about why Classic feels like this big lotr-style journey to mount Doom, and why retail feels like it’s this rush-mentality dopamine machine, even if they put so much effort into forging good zones and great raids. The problem is that wow is not immersive anymore. Why is that? Many reasons. The vibe doesn’t feel grounded enough for example. It lacks this vibe from the RTS games it had. The gameplay also has too little friction and too few RPG mechanics too.
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Why wouldn’t dungeons continue to be viable if seasonal resets weren’t so harsh and there was more overlap between tiers?
I feel like the seasonal resets are harsh because Blizzard wants to provide a level playing-field every 6 months so the game becomes super accessible to newcomers, not because it does anything good to the gameplay experience for the people who are already playing the game.
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But that’s just it… That’s NOT how it feels to ME.
I still have that sense of adventure and wonder when a new expansion releases and we get to level and explore.
I still find it just as immersive as when I first started playing. So I don’t know where your lack of immersion comes from.
The fact that you CAN play fast and shallow, doesn’t mean you HAVE to play fast and shallow.
The new patch released 1 and a half week ago. I still haven’t done every quest that’s available to me. I’m taking my time. Now; it helps that there’s also plenty of other stuff to do for me besides questing; something that wasn’t the case in vanilla.
I raided on 2 of the 7 evenings of the week and otherwise I either did dungeons with my RL friends or I was mining or I was leveling an alt. Those were basically my options. There’s so much more to choose from now and I love that.
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I personally wouldn’t care if they want to a smaller increase in power levels between each patch. I am a one trick pony, I play this character and have done so since TBC. Also I don’t really play for the gear, I play because I enjoy doing m+ with my friends. So sure, go back to having all raid tiers relevant all expansion if that’s what people enjoy.
Most players didn’t even reach raiding content. The average experience is just this big, epic leveling journey, where many people played just for the fun of it, not to rush to the end. And even at 70, there are these massive attunement quest chains too. Even in Wotlk just the initial leveling quests are a gigantic mass of content for many people.
However, what I mean, when I say, that I’d like Retail to slow down, is not that I want things to take much longer necessarily. The game pace is just very fast. You can wander around for 20 minutes and you can run fast for 20 minutes. In both cases 20 minutes passed. Does that make sense? To be more precise: In modern wow there is a massive amount of content that we can rush through really fast like going through a list pretty much by rushing from dot to dot on the map, while in classic there is less content, and the content it has is digested more slowly.
Also, another aspect: When I see a random mob in modern wow, I can just oneshot it in almost every situation. The world is not a threat to my character. In classic wow, pulling more than 1 mob at a time can mean defeat.
Keep pretending that game is fine and whitness its demise and how it transform into worthless junk where anyone has anything.
Truth is WoW lives on its old reputation which attracted millions
Truth is when there was rules in WoW all stuff like OP wrote, wow was top tier product like 1000% more quality than today
Truth is that WoW today erroding its reputation with each step OP wrote
Game for anyone is game for no one… its rule#1 of gaming, anything else is way into rubbish, and wow is heading that way with current approach and swaying away from its legacy.
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WoW started out attracting people based on the reputation of the RTS games. It’s no different. 
That’s not truth; that’s opinion. 
More opinion. Stop selling your opinions as truth.
WoW has proved that ‘rule’ wrong for many, many years.
You want elitism. It’s a horrible, toxic mindset. I want elitism erased from all of gaming.
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You know what’s not an opinion? The likes of the original post, it currently has 56. You’re in the minority here, buddy.
Most are multi alts spamming and when you look it with logic thats not many out of millions of EU players, you and i and everyone else have no idea what everyone thinks.
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You only need to frequent social media for a little while to get the sentiment of what most players feel about retail wow.
Multiple big streamers have quit retail wow. These threads keep popping up. At this point there is no denying it.
I do not need you or anyone else telling me how to enjoy the game and how i am meant to be wrong for still enjoying retail, i play classic hardcore as well. You do know and understand right that people all like different things and can play and enjoy different modes or do you only deal in absolutes?
If you are talking Asmongold then he is of no lose to WoW at all, he is crude and vulgar and his views are dated and trapped in Legion.
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because like are SOOOO reliabel indicator wher its possible to multiple like it whith different chars of your (own) acount) 
btw, 56 inst that much, just if the are 56 peole, its still the minoroty since the mayoroty isnt either in the forum or just silent
also a person who dint even play wow anymoe and just make povokov takes anbd vklick white just nitpicking aginst blizzard
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Woooow 56. That’s like oh my gosh… like… 0.0001% of WoW’s playerbase. Oh wow, I’m SO in the minority. How can I ever go on!!
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