How Night Elves can't turn into wisps?

Elune Adore my fellows. In the following patch some Night Elves will join the s̶̶c̶̶o̶̶u̶̶r̶̶g̶̶e̶ Forsaken. The interesting part is that only Night Elves which doesn’t turned into wisps after their dead do it. How can it bee that my brothers and sisters can’t turn into wisps and follow ̶t̶̶h̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶l̶̶i̶̶c̶̶h̶̶ ̶̶q̶̶u̶̶e̶̶e̶̶n̶ Sylvanas?

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They got nerfed. Any reference to these ‘Wisp’ creatures will be retconned in future to balance things out.

But for real this time: The ability to raise peeps from the dead is pretty blurry, sometimes they’re disgusting ghouls, sometimes evil-looking humans/elves. They probably didn’t turn into wisps because wifechief said so.

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If you design your story around the rule of cool, you will inevitably run into contradictions and plotholes.

Blizzard sadly prefers to fill these plotholes with far fetched and bad explanations, instead of addressing these problems in advance and adjust the plot to fit onto existing stuff.

That’s why the concept of how Sylvanas’ necromancy works is constantly changing…

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Forsaken bias. That whole make no sense. I just wait until I get some statement for that. Could be amusing to read it :sweat_smile:

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If anything, most if not all of the deceased Kaldorei from the War of Thorns should have turned into either Banshee’s/Spectre’s or Wisps.

If they turned into Banshee’s or Spectre’s they could’ve been turned into those Kaldorei Dark Rangers easily as they would’ve been deranged and evil, vile creature’s who hate everything that has to do with life, if they turned into Wisps it should’ve been impossible for them to be raises as Wisps are but a shell of the former soul they used to be…

So it could’ve gone two ways ajd Blizzard shows us exactly that, except without showing us the Banshee’s and Spectre’s.

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Why? Afaik the Dreadlords made them into banshees in the war of the anciets. Spectres are some restless souls. I don’t thinkt that it have something to do with being evil that way.

Kaldorei who die a traumatizing death(like being stabbed to death, or burned alive) turn into banshee’s. Its always been like that.

Thats the whole lore built up around Banshee’s…

No, that where Demons. Arthas recruited them and found out later that he can do the same with high elves.

Moridunum is kinda right, but not just nelves turn into banshees. All elves.

And they need traumatic death to become such.

I agree.
It looks to me that Blizzard hasn’t simply decided how WoW universe must work and they just add what they think is cool at moment without caring for coherence or logic.

Or, if you prefer, we can assume that the physical rules of WoW universe are “flexible”. They adapt themselves to the needs of the moment. :laughing:

What if we turn the nature friendly Night Elves into Undead Emos, without any good reason?

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Blizzard: What a cool idea! Everyone loves undead Elves (especially female Elves) in sexy armor. Who needs reason? Reason is boring! Undead Elves are cool. Let’s do it! :laughing:

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" Banshees were once beautiful female night elves who were brutally murdered by demons during the fall of Kalimdor. Their restless spirits were left to wander the world for many ages in silent, tortured lamentation. Over the years they became jealous of the living and seeded a deep hatred for all life."

There is -nothing- demonic about Banshee’s as they have been Elven females since the times of the War of the Ancients…

Source: wowpedia under the banshee-section

So you need no Arthas to create them? They are like spectrals but with more power & special abilitys, right?

Nope, as I stated before, the Elf needs to die a traumatizing death to turn into a Banshee or Spectre. There is no difference between the two, except that Spectre’s are mostly male and Banshee’s are mostly female!

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Okay, but it wasn’t really a traumatising death at all. I don’t understand, even if they want life longer why should they join the warfront?

Before WoW wisps wasn’t souls of the NE.
In the beginning of WoW wisps were the souls of the dead NE druids only. Those who are connected to Emeral Dream.
But after Elegy book every dead Night Elves soul transforms in to Wisp.

But question is that should we trust Christie Golden???

Because lets take a look to the Moonwells. According to the quests, Moonwells contains magic waters from the Well of Eternity. This water is the source which connect NE with Elune. Moonwells are holy places for Night Elves, places of their God.
I remember that Night Elves sentinels wanted to kill Highbourne mage who was just looking on the Moonwell. It was prohibited to even look on the Moonwell.
But in Elegy Moonwells are just SPA, where dirty dwarfs are swimming… Christie Golden does not know LORE at all…

Both books had a lot of mistakes. It will be nice if Blizzard wrote some small AFTERBOOK to fix all the mistakes.

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I’m fairly certain it was never really specified if only Kaldorei Druids or every Kaldorei turned into Wisps upon their death, especially with their connection to the Emerald Dream due to the World-tree Nordrassil!

Also Moonwells were always shown to heal ailments and refresh the Kaldorei, and I csn only see that happening when you rest within it,and it doesn’t just magically happen when you stand near it.

Also WoD and Legion already showed us thay Moonwells aren’t solely created out of the Blessed waters of the Second Well of Eternity anymore as they used a piecr of Draenor’s Moon in Draenor and the blessings of Nature in Suramar. Which is obvious since the Second Well of Eternity almost got destroyed in Legion and probably needed time to fill its basin again.

The way I see it, Elegy confirmed what alot of people already suspected or assumed how the Moonwells worked to rejevunate its users. The reason they threatened Mordent Evenshade for looking at the Moonwell was due to the badblood between the returned Highborne and Kaldorei. ;p

Please, relaxing and fart :wink:
Just imagine how it feels like to be in the Moonwell :relieved:

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Could be as simple as the manner of their death and their willpower during life, we know that it is an ‘offer’ the Val’kyr make, and can be presumably resisted, unlike the -Actual- Scourge (I see what you did there) where there was no element of choice. The Forsaken are not the same as the Scourge, and repeating memes does not make them so.

It is nothing to do with Dreadlords, but more the manner of death. Banshees are female dead souls, I mean the correct spelling is Bean Sidhe, the Bean bit specifically means female in Gaelic, the culture from which we get the legends of Bean Sidhe, or Banshee’s (Its actually pronounced the same, just the spelling is different) Spectres are dead male Elves.

No, Banshee’s long predated Arthas, and it can happen to Blood/High/Night Elves. Presumably Nightborne as well, though we have not seen one yet, I think.

We don’t know the reason, we won’t until we know the motivations and thought processes of every one of those Night Elves raised. Just stop and examine that statement. We know that Sylvanas in life was the Farstrider Ranger General. That’s about as nature loving as you get. She didn’t get the wisp option. Nor did any High/Blood Elf, nor as we see in game, do the Nightborne. So…the same basic species? Its the Night Elves becoming Wisps that is the lore shaky bit here, not them being raised as undead.

Also, get it right, ‘Undead Emo’s’ What do they sit around and listen to ‘My Chemical Romance’ all day? They’re -Goths-, they don’t come out till late at night, take chemicals they weren’t supposed to use, go clubbing, get off their t!ts on them, go dancing and make ill advised decisions before waking up and going “What the hell happened?”
(May be an ex-Goth)

How is death in battle not Traumatic? Even if you volunteer to fight, how on earth is death in battle not a traumatic episode? I mean that is practically the definition of Trauma!

You tell us. She is firmly Team Blue and has made no secret about this. She is an absolute Alliance Fangirl and has said so admittedly, Jaina and Andun are her faves, this is the -Only- time a Dev has ever come out and honestly said “Yes I have Faction Bias” I know it doesn’t suit some people’s narrative, the fact that she favours Alliance and not Horde, but that is just how it is.

The current BfA writing is kind of backing that, the only sympathetic Horde characters are the one who agrees with Anduin, who is one of Golden’s favourites.

To be honest, if you are annoyed at Night Elf Writing, you are way at the back of the queue. The Horde players need to have a word first about their writing…

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