How to balance AV

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Make it so that all consumables,racials, engineering items are disabled upon joining the battleground.

Make it so that every bg you join you swap positions like first bg u start Allience side next you start horde side.

Horde and Allience can face their own faction to reduce queue times for horde.

Have very strong elites near graveyards that will one shot players who try spawn killing.

Make the battleground 60 only bracket and disable fishing.

Make it u get zero honor if you are not participating on objectives or killing players and have to do a substantial healing (not self) or damage

Voice Comms enabled as default (can be switched off)

Open to more suggestions

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Go to retail

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Why don’t you go to vanilla because this is not the same game anyway

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Yes, change the game more please. We’re obviously not satisfied with all the changes yet and there should be no limit to shape classic further into a retail like version. Still waiting to get my 1.13 talents so I can be a more satisfied customer with changes that make me happy, I love being a forum game dev and shape the game to meet my personal expectations. I also love pizzas with pineapple but I like no cheese so ill just order my custom made pizza and life will be good. Kappa.

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Just look at the boards. look at the drop in playerbase around world clearly we aren’t satisfied.

look at servers where entire factions quit or leave.i would have preferred the older AV as well but there needs to some sort of balancing pvp to make the game remain somewhat healthy.

We need some form of balance otherwise classic will just hemmorage players and horde queues will keep getting bigger and will be harder to find groups pve for Allience as their playerbase falls it doesn’t take a genius to see this.

Personally I would change the honorsystem as well it’s not healthy for players to feel they have to play 18 hours a day to compete and rank up.

Classic Pve is completely fine PvP as it is just a shambles and everyone knows it

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Ignore the small minded people. I see that lock harassing most people suggesting ideas. (Go play retail) what a saying. Thinking of ideas and querying them on a forum must be illegal. Morons

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No, it’s fine to discuss ideas. It’s not fine to suggest changes thought. If you thought you did and you do, great! If you thought you did but you didn’t or you simply didn’t thought anything because you’re a retailer that wasn’t around during vanilla and now realise the game doesn’t meet your expectations, move on. It’s fine to quit, that’s what dissatisfied customers do and this game isn’t ever going to please everyone, it’s got a target audience of which you’re not a part. Easy concepts to grasp aye?

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I smell a case of “you think you do, but you don’t” take it or leave it its highly unlikely blizzard will do anything related to balancing in classic, they will change QoL stuff but not touch the overall balance of the game.

You knew FULL well how the scales would be tipped upon launch, but you still made the choice to roll ally now you have to deal with it.

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It’s just doesn’t seem reasonable to ask for tailored made changes to a product that has thousands or millions of customers, just because you personally don’t like all the features included with that product. Imagine every customer doing the same, when would this end? It’s your self centered egos and entitlement that blinds you from seeing reason or being rational on this topic. I think it’s wrong that the rich steal from the poor but most rich men will think stealing from the poor is acceptable same way getting your personal tailored changes is acceptable for you because you cannot see the bigger picture past your entitlement.

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I wish more people actually thought like that and joined horde like a bunch of brainless sheep, so they wouldn’t face as much opposition. The queues would’ve been even longer and the forums even saltier.

His suggestions were pretty bad overall imo, but the fact remains that Classic is NOTHING like Vanilla. If Blizzard really cared about the player’s experience they wouldn’t have given us the nerfed version of AV. They already made map changes to WSG, so at this point I don’t see why they wouldn’t balance the AV map (a map that is actually imbalanced).

I’d love to a see a “reversed” week, where Horde get’s Alliance racials and vice-versa, and we swap spawns in AV. That would clearly show if AV map imbalance/Horde racials are the reason for the low Alliance win rate, or if it really just comes down to skill like many Horde want us to believe.

Now to go into OP’s post…

Why not suggest standardized characters and gear too? Consumes and engineering are things that take preparation, people willing to put in the effort should be rewarded by having a small (or large) edge in PvP, just like racials, all these things have been known for years and everyone has access to them.

I’d be fine with a full swap (including racials) for a set amount of time, just to see how it would impact games, but no constant swapping. I chose Alliance so I could fight for the Alliance, don’t make me assault our base 50% of the time… Since map changes are obviously open for discussion now, I’d rather have them go that route (even though they’d probably still find a way to mess it up).

I don’t see why this is necessary. Everyone knew before launch that Horde would be the go-to faction for PvP tryhards. We knew they would queue in larger numbers, so we knew they would have longer queues. Just like we knew Orcs and Undead have stronger PvP racials but still rolled Alliance.

I still think the change to prevent graveyard camping in bg’s was ridiculous. If your group is so much better than the opposing team you can keep them stuck in a graveyard, that should be a viable tactic.

In the current version of AV I guess you could have seperate brackets for 50-59 and 60. I’d rather see someone fish than just straight up AFK but I don’t think this is a big enough issue to warrant a change anyway.

Or just ban AFK’ers

No objections to this. It probably won’t change much tho.

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there is a difference between tailor made changes and balancing for pvp. look at other classic games like osrs they have updated the game to be relevant while maintaining the classic feel of the game.

you really think if tbc never came out and classic was all they had back then they wouldn’t change the game to balance out the kinks it doesn’t mean make into retail 2.0 but a game where its not all one sided to the point one faction has to queue for an hour just for one 20 min match because of the racial talents because who doesn’t want the advantage in pvp

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If you want changes in name of balance you can go right now and play retail. Classic is the opposite of asking for changes.

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why because you said so? just look at the amount of players leaving. I don’t play retail because for me since wrath when they brought out lfg and lfr something was lost the community aspect of the game i like the forming a group with players from the same server this is why i play classic. if there was TBC i would leave for it in a heartbeat its superior.

im not a fan of x-realm bgs as well but i understand why it exists and that in itself is a change from vanilla people need to get it out of there head that classic is vanilla its not the same game there are alot of changes from it.

if u prefer no changes than a healthy game stick to private servers

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So you think you do but you don’t.

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No, you! See what I did there? I just pulled out my entitlement which is as valid as yours.

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Bad bad ideas.

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I can only speak for myself but I wanted to play a shaman and since shaman is horde exclusive it wasn’t much of a choice. Also in vanilla alliance DOMINATED AV isn’t that interesting how times have changed? Alliance in vanilla had 30 - 40 min queue and won majority of the games, now horde has 30 - 40 min queue and win majority of the games.

Is that also map balance and racial issues? Or is it simply a player(s) issue?

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They will simply never acknowledge this. Just look at that donkey Piolho, no matter how hard one tries to explain those simple things it will still be bias. Wonder what was that secret to success alliance had 15 years ago that was lost in time.

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you make some valid points but i disagree to some extent

Why not suggest standardized characters and gear too? Consumes and engineering are things that take preparation, people willing to put in the effort should be rewarded by having a small (or large) edge in PvP, just like racials, all these things have been known for years and everyone has access to them.

my reason for consumes and engineering as it gives an advantage in pvp i would prefer it to be equal not who has the most consumables same as racials i mean thats why the horde are majority. standardized charaters is a step too far there would be too much to change its more like a rock paper scissors not that i wouldn’t be open to small changes voted for by the community like soft things like a taunt for a paladin for example. i would even be open to giving horde a paladin and alliance a shaman class

I’d be fine with a full swap (including racials) for a set amount of time, just to see how it would impact games, but no constant swapping. I chose Alliance so I could fight for the Alliance, don’t make me assault our base 50% of the time… Since map changes are obviously open for discussion now, I’d rather have them go that route (even though they’d probably still find a way to mess it up).

I see your point on the i choice alliance don’t make me fight against alliance this was more of a quick fix to a larger problem the map balance

there is a difference of being better than being toxic i mean if 30 people camp a gy as it currently is you get spawned 10 people a time with no time to buff up or get ready to defend yourself the npc would give a buffer to give players a chance to fight back i mean being spawn camped in any game is not fun weaker teams would just get killed further out anyway

totally agreed but as it is u can still semi afk not doing much to avoid ban and u still get awarded with honor my suggestion was to stop any benefit to afking

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They are not gonna change anything because most people who play classic cant handle more than 0 mechanics.If they make game harder they’ll lose money.