How To Lose Subs, Ignore Discord Pre Mades

Pre mades have always been part of WoW and will always be, we understand that and accept. BUT how much is too much?

5%? 50%? 100%?

I don’t have stats and my own personal experience is based on prime time a couple of hours -maybe.

I have yet to go up against a random in AB, and have met just x1 random in WSG.

This is NOT a faction thing, I play both sides … It is pre mades all day long WHICH IS GREAT for those ranking … Not so for casuals who wanna have a bit of fun …

PS if so many pre mades are out there, why not match them together?

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That have never been done. There have never existed a seperate queue for solo players in WSG/AB to this day. Premades and solo player shared a queue in ALL Vanilla retail patches and ALL TBC patches and ALL Wotlk patches and ALL Cata patches. In MoP they changed the premade size to party size but premades and solo players still shared a queue, and still do to this day.

Classic is a recreation if the 2006 gameplay systems. It’s working ad desinged and as intended. No one is exploiting or circumventing any limitation.

You can adapt and join other players from your community and play this group pvp content in a group.

Or play AV that is specifically desinged for pugs.

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You can share the same queue but the system opts to first put pre mades vs pre made …

My issue is it seems the great majority of matches are pre made vs solo which as you can imagine are a one way affair.

Blizz said it will be over fast and join again … GREAT! But it is always a pre made …

AQ40 is near at which point PvP gear will gradually be made useless … Only silver lining for me …

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Why don’t you join or form a group yourself?

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I do not want to rank, just enjoy my paid game a couple of hours a day … So i have no issue losing once or twice in a row to a pre made just not getting farmed 2 hour straight every time I want to play the game I pay money for …

OR I go private server …

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How to lose subs:

Listen to crybabies and turn Classic into Retail.

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no its not.

I agree with you, separate queues for premades and randoms should be in the game and they are amazing. I remember the glory days of rated BGs. The only reason why people would want it to stay in the game is because they are bad at pvp and they want to farm pugs for easy honor.

The problem is that this is Classic. People are paranoid and afraid of any changes because of what has become of modern game. I personally think that “#nochanges” movement doesn’t hold any ground because of number of changes that have already been made and because game was designed in different times.

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Can’t you enjoy group pvp content in a group? I don’t understand.

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HOW in the world is premade vs solo a “great majority of matches” if you always end up vs a premade, there is way way more premades vs premades.

Solo players naturally would shay away from BG’s … Get hit in the face a few times and any one would eventually move away …

Nurture a fun gamin environment for both kinds of players and subs will return when fun comes back!

Let me ask you a question: You think those pre mades are playing for anything other than Rank? Once they get the rank they want they will stop, right?

If I was a company interested in profit, I’d not want to lose the ones who actually enjoy my product!

Making positive changes is hardly turning Classic into retail.

How to lose subs:

Don’t listen to actual issues and listen to “no changes” crowd.

I’ve always enjoyed bgs, but in Classic that’s just not an option without going premade, so that’s one aspect of the game I can’t enjoy, which leaves raidlogging.

What you think of as a positive change, someone else thinks of as a negative change. I personally think this is a bad change because it makes solo queuing the new meta, which is a very anti-social, a lonely way to rank and doesn’t build a community.

A lot of us are playing this game because we enjoy Vanilla wow warts and all. In my opinion the only good changes are changes to non-gameplay systems such as faction balance, server sizes, better gamemaster functions and stronger enforcement of TOS when it comes to botting and afking.

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Define positive?

And I mean define OBJECTIVELY positive, not your subjective opinion.

Nothing is to much. Adapt or die.

Everything is not black and white, I play casual pvp, I do bgs for a few hours every week. I only play in semi premades with my guild. I’m not going for any rank, but why play alone in a MMO.

Playing alone is just convenient in the way that you don’t have to organize much and wait for others. It’s pretty cool if you play solo with and against other solo players.

To be honest, if solo players like the OP would group up with others, they would still get pwned by try-hard premades. It would not change anything for them.

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