How to revive WoW PvP:

PVP Arenas
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And this will make people complain even harder.
If they change it the way you want, they feel the “rewards” coming in and then theres a “hey, stop, you cant get anymore rep now with the fun time youve had. Now you have to play 3s/rss to still get the last rewards” is like flipping a finger instead. So you have a massive casual influx going in RSS (yet again) and you will see a never ending loop of trash talk.

Im a person who look through things in a “consequence” way.
Who dont want to farm things while having fun? You can still get, like I said, rewards through honor lvls, mark of honor while the rest of the rewards is still bound to 3s/rss.
The fix for example RSS would make it 2melee/2ranged/2healer and stop with the heavy cap on MMR so you get rid of the high rated players from the getgo.
Most of the frustration early on were based on facing glads at 1800 rating and their way of “capping” the MMR.
Showing MMR is also bad in my opinion.

There are ways to make 3s/RSS better, but by stripping it or band-aiding it after removing something thats been existing for quite a long time now would feel extremely weird.
If they ever do anything with PvP it will be next expansion.

If you win then PvP is the most fun youve done.
If you loose then its the worst thing youve ever done.
And that will keep happening.
Also alot of people who believe they are better than what they are and instead of improving themselves they blame everyone and everything else.

But I still stand with rather them adding 2 additional rewards for a milestone to get or for the “casual players” to get instead of stripping a bracket because someone feels like its the best way ever.

Lets say it like this.
Your idea could have maybe worked if it was with a newly made MMO that dont already have its rewards established for rated PvP.

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Ngl, the more you post, the more it seems like some weird reward entitlement for playing.

If you’re just looking to have fun, being rewarded for the time spent shouldn’t be of major concern and you keep bouncing between those two things.

We’re also in the Arena forum, if you want more casual rewards for bg grinds or whatever, take that to those forums instead, dont come in here saying “Yeah I hate arenas, I want your rewards without actually earning it”

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No the solution is …

  • Bring back templates but you can choose your secondary state priority
  • Prune classes mobility, burst, defensive and CC to make the game less toxic and more easily readable / learnable
  • remove dampening but drastically increase mana cost of spells and stop drinking in arena. Each healer spec should have abilities to restore mana and have a fairly balance mana spend.
  • Remove going from 100% to 0% in sub 1.5 seconds. 3 seconds is the maximum it should take by 2 people vs somebody who doesn’t press cds.
  • Make PVP Transmog seperate from PVE transmog
  • make RGB 6v6 and introduce new maps
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Yeah, I think I should also get properly rewarded in pvp for various activities, not just for getting rating in arena. PvE players also get rewarded a lot for just playing the game. I don’t think the glad mount should be gatekept by 3s, because it’s a dead bracket. Honestly, rated content outside solo shuffle is so dead anyway, that I don’t really see a reason to not just put it on a pvp renown track , so all players can have fun and get it over time by playing RBG/Arena 3v3/etc. without having to get a certain rating.

If you don’t play arena for fun, then you shouldn’t play and you’re not doing yourself a service.
I like being rewarded in a video game for time spent, because it’s a video game, and video games should feel rewarding. Who likes spending 3 hours playing solo shuffle and then logging off with nothing outside of people insulting you, or telling you to hurt yourself

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Honor Level Achievement Reward
Honor Level 5 Dutiful Squire/ Dutiful Gruntling
Honor Level 10 Honorable Pennant, First PvP Artifact Apperance
Honor Level 15 Prestigious Bronze Courser
Honor Level 20 Alliance Enthusiast/ Horde Fanatic
Honor Level 25 The Honorable %s
Honor Level 30 Prestigious Pennant, Second PvP Artifact Apperance
Honor Level 40 Prestigious Ivory Courser
Honor Level 50 The Prestigious %s, Third PvP Artifact Apperance
Honor Level 60 Elite Pennant
Honor Level 70 Prestigious Azure Courser
Honor Level 80 The Unrelenting %s, Fourth PvP Artifact Apperance
Honor Level 90 Esteemed Pennant
Honor Level 100 %s the Unstoppable Force
Honor Level 125 Prestigious Forest Courser
Honor Level 150 Prestigious Royal Courser
Honor Level 175 Glorious Pennant
Honor Level 200 %s, Bound by Honor
Honor Level 250 Prestigious Midnight Courser
Honor Level 300 %s the Tactician
Honor Level 400 Sir Snips/Bucketshell
Honor Level 500 Prestigious Bloodforged Courser

But I guess those rewards means nothing couz its not the ones you want?

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These rewards are trash, not seasonal, and they are beyond grindy. Nobody cares about honor level rewards.

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So one part you dont want to “grind” but you also want to grind for rated rewards… This is starting to feel extremely odd.
And dont have to be seasonal, its something you hunt for in BGs by getting Honor Levels, its partly what you asked for. And you also said its not good to have too many rewards but at the same time you want more rewards. :person_shrugging:

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No, the honor level rewards are just trash, and they are not seasonal. That’s it. The only reason pvp isn’t completely dead is that some casuals play shuffle for the 1800 transmog (which I have on 3 characters). But after getting it, there is no point other than getting duelist for the enchant, but the problem is that it’s a boring activity and it should not be the focus of the game. The focus of pvp should simply be to play pvp, and rating rewards should be a side thing. Rated rewards should be maximum 5% or less of all rewards you get for playing, and only a pure badge of honor to show your skill. Nothing else.

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So why do you believe your way of thinking is the only correct path the game should take and basically go away from whats its been like since wotlk? =p
Ive already told you quite a few times, the path you want will most likely lead to 3 dead brackets.

You are more looking towards what would be the best and easiest for you, not rly would be “best” for the entire game. Quite sure both me and alot more would hate if they did what you are suggesting by stripping 3s of its rewards to fuel it into casual BGs.
But then you complain and call that “elitism” because its not “free”.

If you enjoy BGs you will enjoy BGs without “seasonal rewards”.
If you cant enjoy anything except being massively rewarded for it, then its just you not liking it from the start since you see it as pointless.

Thats not a game issue.
Thats you feeling you need rewards for playing BGs otherwise its not fun.

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Or you are too blind to understand where you are going with your wordings.

Thats saying they still will have to do RSS/3s to get full value of it which is still forcing casuals to do it which you, from the very start, have been quite forceful that people wants to play “whats fun” to them and nothing else.

This basically sums up why you want the 3s rewards that you really want moved to casual “seasonal renown rewards”.

All these titles are seasonal which you can use during the season. You are saying making seasonal titles that basically holds no value permanent and 3s ppl should be happy about it and that it will “revive” 3s.

And youve ignored the fact that they can make more rewards for casuals that can be earn as “seasonal reward” alongside 3s ratings own rewards.
Its just you who feel it would be bad couz you still cant get them without putting effort into it and the excuse you give is “too much rewards then”.

Its quite clear that you are moving your own agenda. You dont care about 3s, you dont care about 2s and you dont care about RSS and you dont care about BGs unless theres good seasonal rewards for it.

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I mean what should I even respond to this foolish thing you typed now 4 times in a row as if it was a big own? Use your brain: Currently they get barely ANY rewards. With my system they still get most of the rewards. Also, there is a gigantic difference between playing 3v3 to get 2400 and just to farm reputation for your battleplass

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Thats what you wanted to only give 3s ppl except “casual seasonal rewards”.

Yes, introducing battlepass to WoW! Pay 20 euro for the new seasonal pass to earn exclusive rewards that formerly were earned by getting better at the game but now behind a paywall!

And yes, if they introduce battlepass into WoW it will be by actually paying it and not for free.

Ah and yes, its a gigantic difference between trying to get better at the game and afk through it.

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Nice, now you cherry pick this, and ignore the point where I said 2 times to also give people a 2400 rating special glad mount recolour

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Quote where you said that.
And why does it have to be a glad mount recolour for 2400 rating?

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I am 600 honor level.
We need more of these :pray: up to 5000 Honor level :heart: because of an old exploit we have a lot of 2000+ honor level players.

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Yea and sadly alot of those exploiters didnt rly get punished what ive heard.
Im always for more rewards for bgs or anything like it, I just hate stripping other rewards because someone wants it easier.

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and some people like getting rewarded for playing good. Different preferences. Why dont you understand that?

in what way are they trash? there are titles, mounts and pets?

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Which you are, as Yojeong showcased.

There’s infact various rewards for those other activities, pvp is more than just arena afterall.

It’s not gatekeeping to have a reward in 3s that require skill, everyone is able to improve and climb, git gud issue, the only reasonably fair alternative, would be bringing Glad back to 2s (And potentially a recolour for shuffle)

Well see, it’s a -GLADIATOR- mount, how do you get gladiator? Ah, right…
The fact you rather Blizzard takes a high end Arena reward and give to casuals, over making something entirely new? That speaks volume.

And why does it specifically have to be a reward tied to being skilled? There’s the vicious mounts every season, surely that’s a more ideal reward to promote being BG grindable.

I have fun playing 3s, I have fun playing shuffle. I find it fun to improve at the game and get higher ratings and earning unique cosmetics tied to it.

Evidently a lot of people, considering how popular shuffle is, not to mention how casual friendly it is, more people get their rewards now than before, as they dont rely on LFG.

And now we’re back to reward entitlement, you want the big boi rewards, while putting in as much effort as a LFR pve’er.

Elite title, Legend title, tabard, r1 title for your spec

Preach this, he even admitted it himself by stating he hates 3s, mans literally a toddler ree’ing that people earn a reward he cant get good enough for.

They aren’t a free Glad mount, which is what he wants, thus it is trash.

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It’s kind of funny how many incentives blizzard puts into 3v3 arena. Like 3v3 arena alone has more rewards than M+ and still nobody plays it, because the content is trash and boring :joy: The few, who do play it, mostly play it to chase rewards rather than for the content. “But muuh pressitge, need 20 items to show off” how pathetic :joy::joy::joy:

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So are you going to answer that or are you going to accept you never once said “recolor” or “recolour” in this post?
Ctrl + F and write them. I didnt see it once, quite interesting when you said it twice right?