How was starsurge an outlier?

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I don’t understand this. I’ve just done my first STV event after the balance druid nerf… or should I say after they gutted the spec.

I do a starsurge which does next to nothing, and then im hardcasting spells at a target for 5-6 seconds to kill it. If it doesnt get heals or pop a pot. And meanwhile I get charged by a warrior, who kills me in 2 hits.

Later I got opened on by a rogue, and 2 globals later I was back at the gy.

I ran into a shadow priest. In the time it took me to get off a cast of stasurge, specced and buffed to be 1,5 sec cast, i was dead.
Never mind that the eclipse rune, that is supposed to give me a 70% chance to not get pushback while casting wrath or starfire DOESN’T EVEN WORK!!??

Try going against a hunter… Pet is off somewherre else, so its just huner vs me. And the pushback from his shots lets him kill me before my cast goes off.

So i repeat: How was starsurge an outlier? Most other specs seem to have a way to unload massive damage fast without first casting a spell that now does little more than announce my presence, to get the eclipse buffs, then fishing for a nature’s grace proc so I can get a quick starsurge. Which then hits for 500 unless Im lucky and get a crit, in which case it will hit for 1k.

Honestly, I get that starsurge was too strong, but this nerf is just waaay too much. Especially when every other class has 1shot potential.

Oh and I literally did get 1shot by a shaman.

After all the time and effort Ive put into this character since the start of SOD, even before starsurge got buffed, it feels really bad to get rewarded by having it turned into a meme.

Btw, I realize that this post will give the griefing trolls with antisocial personality disorder shivers of gleeful joy. So be it. This rant needed to happen. Please fix my spec, blizzard, because what you have done with it now is just making all game progression feel like Im trying to polish a turd.

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Do you not have roots? Moonkin form? Bear form? Cat form? If a warrior is 2 shotting you from 100>0 as a druid you are bad at the game bro, even if you sood there doing nothing it would take him 5 seconds to kill you with a full rage bar before fight.

Sorry man but your bad

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He charged you, during that 1 second stun or 3 depending he charged or intercepted you you are already half hp in boomkin form. As a balance druid you instantly use nature’s grasp to bait a root on him so you can actually hard cast a second or sometimes 3rd root depending on your luck. (this hard cast roots can only happen with either tauren racial if ur fast or dire bear form >enrage > bash > root) So anyways he trinketed the nature’s grasp continued to train on you and by the time you succesfully landed(assuming no miss dodge etc) a second root you are in his execute range. You try to walk away a bit from him but also make sure u wont exceed 8 yards cause he can charge/intercept with warbringer rune which breaks all movement impairing effects. You prolly dead zoned him at around 5-6 yard so you finally had an openning to use wild growth+rejuv on you with mortal strike debuff. Then if root is still active (you sometimes get heartbeat roots which lasts merely 1-2 second) you start casting a wrath/starfire. Non eclipsed non starsurged hard casts have barely 5 percent crit chance and no damage modifiers so u hit him for 200-300 damage at most. (You cant start the offensive with starsurge (which btw hits for around 250-300 dmg with 150 spell power) cause it would break the root and then wouldnt be able to hard cast any spells while he is on you).Root breaks and he wrecks you since now you dont have any other stuns so that you can try rooting him once more and you already had around barely 40-50 percent hp due to your wildgrowth+rejuv healing only for 50 percent cause of the MS debuff you still have. This my friend is a very likely scenario that happens almost 75 percent of the time. I would try to describe other encounters with rogues etc but the post is already too long. Maybe another time.

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Your talking absolute bollocks im fully geared at 40 on my warrior, in the opening gambit he hits you for half your HP in boomkin form? So he either crit with a slam for 680 or crit with a mortal strike for 650…thats on a good day vs the armor moonkis have, thats not your HP fella…this is fantasy stuff now…pathetic.

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First of all no need to get angry and use this kind of offensive language. I am not here to fight I am with all my honesty describing my encounters. Whether you believe them or not just try to keep the conversation civil. I get hit for around 650-850 damage with mortal strike in my boomkin form. I have 44 percent damage reduction in that form. Auto attacks crit are around 450 roughly. Lets take the bare minimum here and say 1k damage in 1 CGD thats exactly half my hp since I have 2k hp with my MoTW buff.

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Do you want me to record you a video of me dueling an afk boomkin right now?

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Yes please if possible. But then again we need to see the gear of both parties. I am not daring you, those numbers I listed on avarage is are 100% my own experience. I have also encountered several fury warriors that hit like a truck but I dont have exact numbers and I dont wanna talk without any data

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Sure let me get on that for you

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Aight, thanks mate

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The event is in 23 minutes so no one is dueling, when i get a chance i will

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No rush mate, as I said I wasnt daring you. Also the numbers you also gave me isnt that contradicting with what I said. around 650 with slam/MS and if I am not mistaken around 400 auto attack crits. My whole point was it being able to get me down to 50 percent which actually checks out. I have 2000 hp and I dont think 1k damage with MS+AA crit combo is unrealistic for a decently geared warr on a boomkin.

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Roots = trinket. A good Warrior wont let u cast roots off. Sure you can try and fake, but all the time you sit there trying to fake him out, he is enjoying smashing your face in. Warriors can land big crits, even on 2.5k armor.

Mots Boomies are running with a lot of cloth gear atm, so the armor ? Not that high yet.

Moonkin form and Bear Form have the same armor, so unless you enjoy watching your mana vanish, no point going into bear. Unless its a last ditch effort to bash and roots. Tho u bashing a melee… well, lets just say it happens once in a blue moon.

And Cat form is a brilliant idea. You have no movement speed, as you are not Feral. + you lose all your armor. Even travel form is questionale, due to intercept + hamstring spam. Melee leeway is about 5-7 yards. Which means if a melee is directly in your face, by the time you manage to kinda run away ? You need to time his globals, and shift just as he hits you w/ hamstring. Otherwise as you shift he just slows you again.

No need, im sure we see bad Warriors every day.

tldr: Boomkins should not complain about Warriors. They are the least problematic. Having said that, if the war connects ? Different story, but he should not.

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you are embarrassing to read on these forums honestly

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I see people latched on the the comment about being charged by a warrior. That’s not the point. The point is that the nerf was too much, and the compensation too little, or maybe not the right thing.

Also, the eclipse rune says that it gives 70% chance of not getting pushback on wrath and starfire AT ALL TIMES. But it does not give it if you are not in moonkin form. So its not at all times. You can’t go a semi balance/resto build, because you will get blasted without getting a spell off.

And no one is talking about what leveling a druid is like now. All the classes feel great and powerful from the start. As druid you don’t get cat form until level 20, so you can’t go feral yet.
And you don’t get starsurge until level 20 either, so the new buff does nothing for you. So basically until level 20, druid is just regular classic druid with less mana issues.
And without the aforementioned push back protection, which only becomes available to you at lvl 40 (if you pick up moonkin form), leveling is a pretty lackluster experience.

If they are introducing elements to every class from retail, why shouldn’t balance druids be the bursty beast everyone rightly fears? Seeing the big numbers pop up on the screen is why people play boomie.

Why is a starsurgee from out of nowhere that takes a chunk of your health bar worse than a rogue that can stun you and nuke you to half health before you get to do anything?

Give starurge back its damage, then make it taper off past 30 yards or something, so that at 42 yards it deals 50% of its full damage or something.

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Boomkins are still good, removing 30% of a player health with a single free instant that can stun is powerful, it’s just not a 6s cd free delete anymore.

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There’s no point trying to explain anything to forum scrubs that still think they’re playing a version of wow from 2004. They literally try and give you reasons and tactics that used to work in classic for class match ups then proceed to tell you you’re bad at the game because you’re bringing up an issue they have no clue about.

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Well after that 30% HP Buff while Bloodmoon it will be like 15%-20% and thats kinda low compared to other Classes and their Runes. The effect the nerf had on our PvE Gameplay we will have a hard time to compete in Raids and due to how Community is we might not be able to find Raidspots in Pugs cause everbody beeing able to clear the Raid with Pugs gonna take S-Tier DDs to save some Time while doing this…

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The amount of nooblet balance druids qqing over then nerf of a button on a 6sec cd with no mana cost that dealt 1.2k+ crits is astouding.

Starsurge now deals ~300 dmg noncrit, which is about as much as a fire blast. It costs no mana, can RNG stun, is on a 6 sec cd and buffs up the dmg of starfire. And you still have that oldschool moonfire spam you can always do as a druid which has always been memed about. The damage starsurge deals now is pretty good for a spell that has no mana cost.

Balance is quite fine atm, a balance druid can easily burst down a target with a properly executed hardcast chain. But alas, all you newage retail babbie druids are the ones that cant use all of your tools at your disposal to mog every other class in the game. All you know how to do is press your one button, move out of range, press a hot and then IWIN button. Very interactive skillful gameplay

Literally a skill issue, l2p

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Starsurge does not stun in any way shape or form. Maybe you confuse it with starfire.

You represent the majority of sod players.

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You have 1k health in pvp?