How we will play PvP in Midnight?

PVP Battlegrounds
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i know i mean fc in bg and you can´t know where are every enemy because they don´t need to be in combat necessarily and it would be very annoying have to play looking more at the map than the screen and in a 40 vs 40 battle, you have to prioritize taking out the healers, and it would be very difficult to target them with all that crowd, you can also see which healer your teammates are targeting, so it’s easier to take them out one by one another thing is know the boss life and capping times with dbm for example, but whatever, you can play without addons because you have ultrainstinct and you can carry the entire bg without them…

if blizzard deletes these addons they should implement all of them in game

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You do ?

Btw, i think it’s great for the game.

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I use it too and it’s extremely powerful, but it would be better if it were disabled for everyone. It reveals the positions of opponents you realistically wouldn’t know, which makes it too good. You should get this information from manually scouting and communicating with your team and not with one click of your mouse button.

BGE is the reason why its hard to pull off stealthy maneuvers in epic bgs because enemy strategy callers or just regular players immediately notice the slightest troop movements. It drastically reduces the surprise value and leads to more predictable fights.

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yeah i can agree with that but i don´t like target enemies directly from their nameplate, even in a 3v3 this is hard due to the number of pets, totems… you need gladius or macros to swich targets faster. Imagine in an epic bg 10 minutes trying to target healers or hunters with feing dead, i feel it would be so annoying play like that. They should implement something similar, even if it only lets you target the enemy who is nearby or smthing and you should also somehow know your enemies’ cds this is very important to play properly

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You don’t need addons to git gud. You shouldnt know what cds your opponent has available before getting in a fight with them. You should always be prepared for X Y and Z scenario and have multiple gameplans if your opponent has his trinket or not, or any cds etc. Likewise you should be able to bluff that you might have all of your cds by playing overly aggressive, addons do not allow this.

The removal of addons will force people to learn the game and how to play. It will teach people about awareness and return the game to a more classic style of PvP. People will learn how to estimate when an interrupt or a cooldown is close to coming back and play appropriately, or be eaten by the “sharks”. Your little addon inflatable lifejacket doesn’t save you anyway, its only there as a crutch holding you back from learning how to swim and beating the shark’s teeth out in his own waters.

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It is controversial, because it is not the only thing that has to be observed, in fact, there are too many things to keep track off and so filtering information is important.

People will not learn. They will quit.

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We ARE going to play midnight?

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we have housing :V

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If it is more premade spam. I think I’ll pass.

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i allways play ranked games and pvp without any of those that you said and im fine,
and this season i almost went to 2k
i dont understand how a skilled player in pvp cant play and fight without them

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We should’ve never gotten to this point where we can use addons to track every single ability. Straight up dumb.

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Sure they can, but as soon as they encounter another skilled player, they will get destroyed because playing with addons makes the difference, and apart from the players on the forum who flex about being pros, there is no pro player who plays without addons

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They should have added it a long time ago in a game where each player has 30 spells, it would be chaos to play without addon, in fact, it’s already chaos even with addons, and simplifying the classes maybe will help new players but will drive away those who have been playing for years

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i do exist and i play without addons in pvp.
skill comes from the mind not the addons.
if they remove pvp-combat addons then everyone are going to be judged by their power of mind and their skill

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I’ve played without these addons just fine.
I’m more curious to see how those self proclaimed pro players will fare without having 3 separate sound effects going off for everything.

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No, here’s simple logic, you know there were…top 10% BEFORE addons came? Grandmarshal’s and what not? And there will be top 10% still, if you were there and can’t be there now without addons, I would call that skill issue.

Also don’t mind the late reply, I do not check on forums that often.

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Then what is everyone judged by now that we all still play with addons? Are you saying we are not playing with our mind or skill at all right now? I can’t believe i’ve been playing the easiest game in the world all this time.

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Just you wait
/e nevermind you’re challenger, you deffo won’t be influenced

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It will do the exact opposite, because there will be no actual resource to learn off of. Addons have been teaching the game for decades at this point, and any one new person who will jump in is bound to be absolutely screwed due to the sheer amount of stuff in the game. That has already been the case even nowadays, and it’s just going to exacerbate the actual impact once everyone doesn’t have them. Those who will have played with addons before will be miles ahead in game knowledge going by feel and memory, while those who haven’t will just be clueless as they’ve always been, except with no tangible way whatsoever to have a possibility to catch up.

You’re talking about learning to beat a shark in its own waters while sending people out to the sea without a harpoon. Addons have been diminishing the skillgap, not widening it.

Since you’re a mage, let me know in Midnight how enjoyable it is to get oneshot by a marksman through the wall in 2 seconds where you can’t even see the animation without addons shouting “TRUESHOT!!!” unless you know by heart and notice the innocuous 0.5 x 0.5 cm icon under their ingame HUD with the most awkward positioning possible while your healer fails to notice their priest’s 0.7 second mass dispel cast on your ice block without being prepared to react because he will be too busy trying to figure out wtf is going on since the healer won’t even be his target and nothing in the game teaches you focusmacros exist and even if they do use them, they typically use them for you, not the enemy - provided they’ve first googled for an hour and studied basic coding on how to write one to begin with and got it to work.

The game as a standalone is a jank, convoluted mess and teaches you literally nothing. Addons have been amending for Blizzard’s incompetence - especially in PvP - for years on end.

It’s not a problem addons exist, it’s a problem that the devs haven’t implemented the functionality into the game themselves, and haven’t taught you how to use them. Blizzard doesn’t teach you how to play the game, and they should. But alas, that’s money.

I have, and I can tell you with certainty that I will remain there, and the reason is simple:
I’ve been using addons for 6 years and they allowed me to close the skillgap by teaching me about the game. Now I possess tons of knowledge I would have never obtained without them, and those who didn’t have this opportunity will now be forever behind, unless they invest hundreds of hours into research and thousands of hours into actual practice.
I can also tell you with certainty that without addons, I would have never closed the gap. For example, my first season ever (BfA 2) I reached 1673 cr. The next season, I learned about addons and rocketed from hardstuck 1.6 to 2031 cr. The next season I optimized the usage and reached 2512 cr and have been maintaining elite since. None of this would have been possible without addons at this point.
I won’t be needing addons anymore, because all the game knowledge is now burned into my brain. Anyone trying to catch up with me however - let alone those better than me, of which there are plenty - will now be presented with an impossible task, because any one time they will face somebody who used addons before, they will be miles behind.

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highest I got was rival, yeah, though that’s beside the point there were top players before the addns and there will be top players after addons. Though addons were getting quite off putting. Having addons that track enemy cds or silences, or literally telling you (in pve) which marker to go or what to silence etc.

Also since you checked my pvp on a certain char, I don’t do rating as is xD you can tell by the amounts of rounds still prefer the game to be NOT designed around addons.