I’m trying to bring friends into WoW, because tired of playing alone, but always bump into a problem of complexity for a new player. So I’m wondering is there any true new players, starting WoW with new expansions? How it feels for a new player?
From my perspective, WoW relies too much on experience knowledge of game outside of it:
at least it requires knowledge of wowhead, icyveins and other websites, where you go basically every time you have some stuck in the game, because the game don’t explain everything. Official Blizzard position is “If you need help finding an NPC or finishing a quest, search Wowhead for information on where to go.” with link to wowhead, when you try to create a ticket of “Stuck on quest” type.
heavily relies on addons. I heard that new expansion has a good UI, never tried it, but previously UI addon was a must to play comfortably. Raids and Dungeons are designed for players with DBM, how it was admitted by DEVs. Almost every aspect of the game is much more comfortable with addons.
HUGE amount of existing old content. This should be great, right? But in general it’s quite messy pile. Non-working quests here and there, missed plot-lines, removed mechanics and so on. I don’t see, how old content could be experienced by a new player in ok way. Every time I need something from old times, you need to do a research on wowhead how to this, because sometimes it needs workarounds and tricks. My last problems were obtaining “Tome of the Hybrid Beast” (a book from Legion to be able to tame Feathermanes) and Whole Body Shrinka toy. Noway I could find a way to get it without wowhead and other guides
even the plot is somehow dependent on books. A lot of things behind the game story is explained there, so you can’t fully understand the whole lore just with the game itself.
In my experience WoW is the only game which requires so much beside the game itself. Maybe other MMO are the same, never tried. What do you think? How make it better for newcomers? If you are new, what would you suggest for a new player?
I don’t think we will se much newcomers becouse this game is so heavily addon focused, mythic+ raids pvp it’s just to much, u need way to much combat addons for it.
Remove combat addons and start design the game without em and maybe we can start talk about newcomers.
Ive met a few who are DF babies (i.e started the gsme this expansion) complexity is there for sure. However, imho i dont think its too complex for new players.
I think the game can sound long winded in explaination. However in reality, if a new player sat down on the game in actual practice its alot less complex then it sounds.
As a player who just started WoW with this expansion,yeah there’s just too much of outside the game itself.
But that’s not game breaking. The main reason I’m about to quit ( just waiting for something new to come out , AoC or probably Diablo 4 since that game will come our first)
The game is just really boring. Professions are just not worth the time and not rewarding enough .
There’s no point in lvling any proffesion - gave a guy 20k to craft me my 418 ilvl greatsword ,and i can farm gold faster then it would take me to lvl up weaponsmith.
Getting to 415 ilvl is not that hard,and getting to 420+ ilvl won’t really matter cause you will end up just doing the same content.
And once new content arrives : such as new raid,new gear - it’s just rinse and repeat.
It’s a lobby game - i log in and i just queue for raid or m+. Once im done with weekly vault req. I can log off until reset to collect my gear.
Those who PvP can i guess just queue for that - personally i dislike tab target PvP so I don’t enjoy it in WoW. Not saying it’s bad,just not for me.
But yeah, you basically have 3diff content to do, and im heavy casual. Those who no life it,im pretty sure they already unsubbed until next gear tier comes.
For a game that has this kind of progression and where you can get left behind - gear wise if you take a break + monthly sub and buy2play - it should really have a lot more content.
Well, it really depends what are playing for. I never considered gear as a goal by itself, just a tool for achieving something you need. Me personally play mostly for the story, and then maybe some mounts collecting. Sometimes I just enjoy dungeon mechanics. For example, I want to reach 2000 score in season 1 just to get a mount. Therefore I need gear to do that. After I will get it - I would stop doing M+ until next season, don’t need to.
You don’t, unless you do mythic raids perhaps. The game itself is very informative, you just need to know what to look for. There are Blizzard text messages, there are emotes, sounds and visuals that all give the same info as DBM. The only thing the Blizzard Ui don’t do, is exact timers, as in, a line up of what is coming a long time into the future of the encounter, and obviously customization on HOW you want the information to be provided.
I do not mind DBM. I have used DBM, but in the end I always end up disabling it as it becomes noise over info that is already provided by the default UI. If people prefer using that, that is fine. I can see why some want extra loud info, but saying that you need it, is a bit over the top. Maybe you need it in mythic raids, but not if you only do heroic or mythic+. It’s usefull if you struggle following the default notifications of things, or listen to music instead of the game sounds while you play.
No point putting an addon on new players that is likely just gonna confuse them at first.
But content. Difficulty and information isnt what locks u out of runs.
Players are. And players demand DBM from raiders. U can go do raiding without dbm and u can succeed. The raid has to be done for DBM to be created so its obviously doable.
However if ur raid leader benchs u for not downloading it, then your simply going no where regardless.
Without addons or external sources you’re already directed to all the required locations? You can’t even miss the main quest-line because it’s so obviously noted on the map.
For casual game-play one can really do without any addons. There’s zero need and the current UI is quite customizable too.
That’s ofc an issue, and it’s why I occationally install it again, but in the end I am allowed to go without it by my guildies.
They were vry confused by the +10 affic though, when they got no DBM pointer from me about what polarity or what to call it, I had(this expansion). I just look at the game markers - ball above your head, or a tornado. Downside is, DBM’ers get confused, because they look for cross and square. Iirc.
I would assume DBM removes the default one. I don’t run DBM and it clearly says Inhale on my screen. Not as in your face as DBM though, that is why I can see some rather have DBM.
What is mandatory in the communities books become mandatory though. Telling new players they dont need to worry, is a lie if u know the vast majority of guilds will refuse them if they dont install.
This is a thing for most things.
Just think, we were timing +15 mythics at 370 / 380 once, and now the contents easier most pugs wont invite someone below 395
I mean this isn’t totally true, if you levelled it as the weeks have gone by and done your quests bit by bit you’d have that level of crafting ready to bank the gold… if you wana do it now yeah, it will take time with less public orders etc erc
Wow does need a lot of outside knowledge indeed, but imo FF is similar.
It does have a help system popping up (say, it explains the type of quests and the like, explains FATEs, Glamour and whatnot), but I’d definitely take an addon for gear if it wasn’t forbidden. It’s so much more difficult what stats gear gives there, and ability tooltips too are difficult to figure out at times, as well.
Say, my Gladiator’s Shield Bash wouldn’t work, and the error message simply said “Cannot use yet.”. It had a tooltip saying “Additional Effect: Stun” and I had a stun ability, but they wouldn’t work together (like only usable when the enemy is stunned), but instead, it turned out I simply didn’t even have a shield to start with, neither I got one till level 16 or so.
That said, it’s still better than WoW, if I didn’t know WoWhead exists, I’d still not be at 70, let alone do dungeons and raids. The game needs to be simplified, or at least have a help system for newcomers.
Well for some recipes you also need to do some content for which you need either guild or premade and ofc luck for drop as is.
But yeah i understand what you’re saying,but then again 25k gold is easily farmable in 1 day.
Or if you’re feeling extremely lazy,buy token and sell it. And craft every piece of gear you need - since you can’t have all professions on 1 char anyway.
Bottom line is , it’s more pointless then it’s usefull imho.
No! Dbm is exactly the type of addon that is cancer, you should know the bosses either by experience or research before hand.
The only one that i consider okay is weak auras because the layout of wow to track anything is a pure mess! Specially for pvp!
DBM or get thrown in the water.
