Racial abilities in general should provide an advantage in a fight. In most cases the racial abilities manage to provide a situational advantage.
However, human perception is the only racial ability that is a situational IWIN - button. What makes matters worse is the fact that this ability cannot be countered. Even if you max stealth talents, get all equipment that provides additional stealth to your character, you still get spotted from a mile away with human perception. In other words, there is not counter play to it.
Perception duration is also ridiculously long, 30 seconds. Lets compare it to Troll Berserking, 10 second duration of 10 - 30% increased attack / casting speed. Only 10 seconds of on average 10 - 15% increased attack speed is negligible advantage in any scenario. Depending on weapon speed, you may be able to get off one extra attack over 10 seconds.
At some point, racial abilities should be balanced to provide an situational advantage on all cases. Perception should be modified in a way that it does not provide a guaranteed win against a stealth class. There should be some effect on maxing your stealth level with items.
Watch mirlolx on twitch plays undead rogue highest rating also so I can’t say human perception is op maybe its down to knowing your enemy and how to counter it
While what you say is accurate (Tho I think Perception is 20sec duration). There are other very op racials. UD one comes instantly to mind. Orc stun resist while not quite as op is still busted af w/ some rng. Heck, even the Tauren stun can be massive at times and save you.
Yes, not all of them are the same power wise, but they are all very much broken. While the Human racial is super op, its also not an instant Iwin. Iv won vs most Human Rogue comps (Outside of Human Rogue - Lock in 2’s since thats just 25 yard stealth spot). Many times we just dont go near each other for Perception to be as powerful. And on top if you are not a stealth comp which many are not then Perc is useless, unlike many of the others.
In the end again, many racials are very op. But so are some specs, Frost Mage, SL/SL Lock, Sub Rogue, Arms War… I mean even a Ret can be broken af if seal twisting procs and crits during wings.
Sadly its TBC… I dont see them changing anything. And if you think Human racials are broken now just wait 1 more xpac xD
well if you want to balance racials like that, then make wotf trigger 30 seconds on trinket and dont make you fear immune for 5 seonds.
its unfair that undead is pretty much a 1 win agaisnt warlocks
jokes aside.
perception only gets really strong when its a rogue itself. getting the opener on other rogues BUT wotf on rogues is such an insta advantage as soon as there is a priest/warlock/warrior fear.
SO basically up there is orc=dwarf>Undead>Gnome>B11(on melee classes)>Tauren>Human=Troll
But thats just overall cause of the meta. It really depends on what you face and what you play.
Not crying at all, just pointing out stupidity. Sure WOTF is incredibly powerful too, but this is very clearly a thread about perception. The hint is in the title.
WoTF just gives a chance to fight back. It does not provide an advantage that almost certainly guarantees a win for your team.
Perception on the other hand pretty much decides who wins in 2v2 arenas. Especially in a rogue vs. rogue match up. Perception is not as dangerous on other classes because you can see the other character and avoid them. You cannot avoid another rogue though because you don’t know where he is.
The potency and duration are the problem. In small settings like Arenas, it’s not hard to scout the area for stealth because it expands the detection range +20 yards.
Perception super op world pvp too. Berny hide super far away in super random location, and still enemy human rogue be like “oh Berny is waaaaay over there”
Dottie say Berny complain about others being op? Berny rogue in good and bad times. If next expansion rogue suddenly bad, but Berny continue complains about bad designs, will Dottie say “how unironic?”
Also, rogue dps not viable. Every raid refuse to invite rogue.
Ye, keep out of invisible human while active. Read again but slowly.
Human invisible so how can Berny keep out? Also, how can Berny know if demon hunter vision active? Also, 20 seconds enough time to discover Berny location in small arena and super useful even in world pvp. Also, human warlock see Berny from super far away because stacks with paranoia. Also, other racials just OP. Perception game-breaking because guaranteed win. No counter. Maybe sacrifice vanish and hide 10 seconds more for kind-of fair fight not really.
Rogues can counter it easily. Exactly how many stuns do you have, and even though they can see you, doesn’t mean you cannot sprint to them while they are casting and stun them while still stealthed. Don’t you also have a talent that allows you to use stealth skills for a few seconds after coming out of stealth.
I’m not sure but isn’t it also stealable or Dispellable?
All you want is an iWin button combo. This spell at least makes it about 10% more difficult for you.
Its stealth v stealth. You don’t know where the other person is and thus cant avoid w/ skillful mobility. If (almost) anything but a Rogue is Human in that case perception is not nearly as big as you can react.
Its a Human Warlock, or there is a Warlock on the team w/ a Human Rogue. In this case again its busted as the stealth detection is 20-25yards. Which is insane due to Perc + Par stacking.
I can only speak from my xp, and as a Feral Druid I have NEVER been pulled out of stealth by a non Rogue or Warlock Human, ever. Legit gotten pulled out by random AoE spam more in general than a Human.
But ! Outside of these 2 its not a big deal. Same as WotF, that one fear that you ignore is a massive pressure point in comps as a ton of people play with a Priest or Warlock. And being able to break and immune that fear for a while at the right time will actually result in a massive advantage. (Hence why there are so many UD’s).
You probably feel Perception more because your main is (I assume) a Rogue.
But if your main was a Priest or Warlock you would be here complaining about WotF.
Again, im not saying “Well, other stuff is more busted so its okay!” I am agreeing, its op. It just wont be changed as thats how it was back in the day. Same as the RNG, Mages/Rogues getting a free reset since they lack cds clearly. Warr stuns, Mage freeze not breaking, fear not breaking and all the other annoying crap thats out of our control that makes us win/lose games.
I main priest but mainly play Rogue/Priest in 2v2. Rather face Undead rogue/mage then Human rogue/mage. Having to use 2 fears to get them off me is easier then them getting free sap on my rogue and delete me in first 10 sec of arena.
WOTF is stronger then perception overall. But perception is just broken when it comes to rogue vs rogue.
Also reason why you don’t see much of a problem as a druid is mainly due to you can’t be sapped in cat form. They probably see you but ignore you due to that. If you could be sapped then you would realise how much bigger of an issue the racial is overall against stealth users if it’s a human rogue. There is a reason why it was removed next expansion. The racial itself was just to problematic.
I also play Rogue/Feral, so the opposing team gets zero info and has equal fear even if Human that the other stealth is Human. Resulting in a far more cautious gameplay.
Sure, some times. Many times they do. Getting an open as a Rogue on a Feral in cat if you have a healer its still a valid strat. The Feral cant always recover and sitting in bear just buys time + cant always run away. So dont think of it as a free pass for me at all. Again I never said its fine. Then again your argument is somewhat flawed in the end. Humans get a few more powerful racial against all in the next xpac. Ofc, not quite as op vs stealth, but now in general busted vs all.
For clarity. Perception is op, so are other racials. I don’t expect anything to change. So if complaining about it makes people feel better? I can relate go for it. But as far as it actually bringing about changes? Dont see it happening. If they change perception ? Id love it as seeing Alliance and 1 is Rogue = shivers for me too.
i circled the human rogues (the class where persecpion has its most value) of the first 17 teams
https://imgur.com/OtTO8DO
oh here are no human rogues
https://imgur.com/8q7noXW
ah found another one.
wow so much human rogues are overwhelming the ladder.
i mean comon, rogues with wotf should now how fkn strong it is into rogue priest and warrior druid. i mean a free trinket on warriors fear and priests fear. aswell as into warlocks while rogues early seasons just laught over warlocks.
perception counters you maybe hard as double dps rogue + X. But with a healer that punishment falls of but you get strong matchups vs any other s tier comb like those mentioned above. (Warr + Druid, Lock + Druid/Priest, Priest + SV Hunter)
