Hi im new to this game and i choose Hunter as my first class. i have to say i am realy dissapointed with it. it seems to of been restricted massivley in its damage. i am 424 item level and cant get any higher. no one will invite me for 11+ mythics and my dps is lower than a 400 in instances. There must be some type of restrictions on my character or class? for 424 item level i want to progress to higher mythic and i think that i should be higher in dps tables. not lower than item level 400’s.
Hunter isn’t the best m+ spec at the moment but it’s far from bad / bad enough that you’d be seeing a 24 ilvl disparity in performance. WoWs a hard game to learn, and you’ve likely picked up bad habits / inefficient gameplay through levelling up or not knowing any better.
There’s nothing wrong with your character specifically, and while it may feel like you’ve got a mountain to climb to reach your goals, the first steps are usually the ones where you see the biggest improvement.
There are guides, resources, and communities for every class and spec in this game with the goal of seeing players improve their performance. I’m not a hunter sadly so I can’t help with specifics, but it’d be a good start if you could post the character you’re playing so we can see if you’re set up the best you can be. Rotation / gameplay stuff you’re better off asking somewhere more specialised than the general forums, ideally the hunter discord but at least the hunter sub forum on here.
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“bad / bad enough that you’d be seeing a 24 ilvl disparity in performance”
24 item level disparity is not acceptable, i want blizz to fix it now. its not fair. ive leveled a weak character to 424 over 3 weeks, wasting my time that is not strong enough to do mythics. i paid for this blizzard can strengthen it to what it should be
The best way to figure out what is happening is to look at logs. To do this fights need to be logged
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/waterseeker#difficulty=3
They track button what abilities you use from the start of a fight through to the end. How active you were, if you were pressing the right buttons at the right time and so on.
Go into lfr, log a fight and see what you did well and what you did badly. Theres guides on how to log and tools such as wowanalyer that will give you pointers.
Yea, drop that attitude, you’re playing badly, its not your class , its you.
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It’s not the class, it’s you. And that sucks to hear but again, WoWs not an easy game to be good / decent at for most people starting out. Your biggest improvements are right in front of you and you’re absolutely capable of comparable damage to others in keys.
Hunter isn’t the best class in the game, but played well it definitely keeps up. You should never be behind people 24 ilvls below you.
At least post a link to your hunter so we can see what you’re working with.
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“Yea, drop that attitude, you’re playing badly, its not your class , its you.”
I cant explain what ive seen playing this game, i have 4 buttons to make damage with and i dont think its complicated. i only wrote on this forum as i was having major doubts my character is making the damage it should be. After maximising my dps for boss fights and getting beaten by 402 and 397 people led me to write on the forum. I always have food buff and weapon buff aswell. These buffs should maximise my dps even further.
You have a lot of old achievements for someone new to the game 
The only thing you can do is make your own keys or keep trying your luck like everyone else. People don’t owe you an invite and it’s not your class either.
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Yeah that’s a lie he has achievements from 2008 lol.
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That’s not attitude, that’s honesty. Anyway I’m sure if you’ve been around since 2008 then you can find the resources / have enough understanding of how the game works to get better without anyone’s help.
I wish you the best in whatever it is you do.
“The best way to figure out what is happening is to look at logs. To do this fights need to be logged”
Hi thankyou for this link, i will have a look but i dont think there is anything i can do, i cant change a class. There is clearly a problem i only raised due to the 24 item level disparity. i will persue some more mythics and investigate futher. Many thanks
posting on your actual hunter would be more beneficial…
mm ? sv ? bm?
using a flask and potions?
enchanted and gemmed?
2 set? 4set?
correct talents?
I mean until we see your character it’s just an endless list of suggestions
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It’s not the class, it’s you not playing it correctly and not figuring out what’s wrong.
If you do less damage than someone in 400 ilvl that is completely your fault.
If you want to be higher in DPS meters then you have to learn how to have more uptime in pulls/bosses and how to do your rotation correctly.
How? Go to a raid, log then compare logs and see the order of the abilities that others do, how much cast they had, etc; then see some videos or Twitch (if you like that).
Blizzard will not “fix” a class because you’ve rotation issues and you lack of any knowledge or self-criticism.
read , implement , improve.
you are welcome.
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Said people may simply be better with their class than you are on your hunter regardless of balance differences. They may also have certain pieces that catapults them on the meters even if their general ilvl is lowish.
His char is tracked.
I dislike digging up people’s characters without their consent to post about on forums, though I did still take a look myself and yes there are many things that could be fixed or improved that would help their dps.
Personally, mm hunter is basically my worst performing spec in m+, survival does better.
I think mm hunter aoe is undertuned. Burst aoe seems fine.
There is a lot of factors to account for.
Beast Mastery and survival is in a bad spot right now.
But marksman is doing okay.
Your DPS depends on a lot of factors besides skill.
Do you have your Best In Slot items?
Trinkets provides a lot of extra DPS, having the correct ones means a lot.
Do you have 4 pieces of tier set? Which for most classes provides significant buffs.
Do you have your two crafted gear with embellishment? Especially neck.
Also do you keep track of your cooldowns, buffs and debuffs? Which is rather important as hunter.
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Yes, I’ve no real comments on the actual tuning of various specs being played optimally and compared against eachother with relatively equal high gear and at least tier set.
But nothing is 24 ilvls of dps behind something else in keys. Not to mention people sub 400 ilvl don’t have over budget items or tier sets because those items don’t exist at that low ilvl.
Let’s say that i’m a good 10k overall behind on mm compared to many other specs, some of the top tiers, even 20k with the same ilvl.
I just cannot get the same damage no matter how hard i try, burst is ok, st is nice, but as soon as the target starts to live a little longer, i drop off significantly.
By the way, i’m talking around ilvl 415/420. And overall is between 80 to 100k generally. Sometimes a little more or less. Depending on the dungeon.
10k overall in a dungeon can easily be accounted for with pull cadence / cd timings relative to the other dps. I have no doubt what you say is true, and that hunter is struggling, but a difference of 10k dps isn’t an indicator of that.
24 ilvls of difference is equal to going from the start of last tier to the end of last tier, it’s an astronomical difference. If I look at BM hunter dps averages on heroic terros across all of last tier (I know kill times change and specs dont remain exactly the same throughout whole tiers) there’s an increase of 45%. People’s damage almost doubled in that ilvl difference. Obviously some of that is gear optimisation but still, you’re not going to lose to anyone who’s 400 ilvl if you’re 424 and playing your spec well.
EDIT: Did BM cuz that’s the OP’s spec. MM is about 35% but was also a significantly less popular spec during that time. Point being, 24 ilvls is a lot and wow’s power scaling isn’t linear so ilvl differences only matter more as the ilvl ceiling rises.