Hey all.
Recently I’ve decided to create a Pandaren character. I wanted to do this before but I lacked some inspiration, wich luckily I now found. I am bringing this topic to ask you wich of the Pandaren philosophies do you prefer, and wich faction a Pandaren would pick by the end of the day.
Tushui speaks of thinking before acting, taking patience as the greatest value. As I understand it, a follower of the tushui creates their values and follows them until the end, without breaking away from taken course. Stay true to yourself no matter what, no matter what happens.
The Hujoin way of thinking speaks of acting right away. “The greatest virtue is the will to act.”, as Ji Firepaw speaks. Followers of this philospohy are pragmatic. They say that injustice must be met with a swift and decisive response, the end will always justify the means.
Personally I always leaned closer towards the Huojin pandaren.
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Honestly? I’d probably be in the middle of them.
The chad Huojin vs the virgin Tushui
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Aligned only with Pandaria or the Huojin. Not Tushui (lol)
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You only need this bit here.
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Exactly this. Chieun most resembles Tushui in philosophy perhaps, but she’s a mainlander and has nothing to do with them.
Imagine selling yourself out to foreign barbarians instead of fighting for the glorious homeland, smh.
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This speaks to me
however the way it is presented in the starting zone the
Is kind of the only real choice you are given when you are presented the daunting task of saving the turtle
Maybe I have missed it every time but I didn’t see the Tushui come up with anything AND the Hujoin way worked out and the turtle was saved bare a little extra pain.
In otherwords, if I were to pick based on what I am presented in game, I would always pick the Hujoin because their philosophie is more presented and noticeable than the Tushui,
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While true (I did choose Huojin for my first few pandaren for that reason) it should be noted that just because one side was right that specific time doesn’t mean it is always right.
Sometimes patience and consideration is the right option.
Which is another part of why Chieun has not joined either. There’s a time for both.
These kind threads are a bit shifty because picking a specific between Tushui and Huojin is picking one extremely specific and extreme way of belief, for all situations, ever. Both are needed, which is practically the whole conclusion that Aysa and Ji made in MoP
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It’s honestly not as specific as people make it out to be. Many think Tushui is about being slow and thinking things over needlessly, and that Huojin means to recklessly and thoughtlessly rush into things headfirst.
In truth the Tushui philosophy is more about personal values and morals > the end result, while Huojin is about result > means to get there.
That said, it’s dumb the philosophies are more or less associated with the faction pandaren groups.
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The only real option is Huojin. Obviously I’m biased.
But to parrot what Shuang said, it doesn’t have to be as cut and dry as it can be reduced to. It may be wisest to act swiftly, but acting without considering your options or the most efficient route with the least losses is just reckless, and being reckless isn’t all that pandaren like.
That said, no one ever said the choices you have to make would he easy. A nice balance between the two would likely be best, if not for being funelled into one or the other because of game mechanics.
Hit me up if you wanna talk about it more!
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Do the Huojin and Tushui schools of thought at all exist on mainland Pandaria? I don’t think I’ve ever seen them referenced by the people there. There are the Huojin and Tushui landings on the Timeless Isle, but I think the pandaren there are from the Wandering Isle.
Obviously Huojin is, the more fun choice, at least for me. Sure, you can be all wise and cautious and thinking things over in the background, but where’s the fun in that? I find it much more interesting to take initiative, jump in and make things happen rather than reacting as events unfold. Will you make bad calls or mess things up once in a while? Sure, but those moments can create some interesting RP for you.
To quote an appropriate Chinese proverb: “Pluck flowers as they bloom; wait and you’ll have only the twigs.”
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Personally, I had fun with the Huojin!
But in all honesty, it doesn’t matter what you choose. What matters is that you proprely roleplay the character you create. Pandaren are taught not to embrace their negative emotions and it adds a level of complexity to portaying the character correctly.
As much as I am not telling you not to roleplay a Pandaren, I am warning you that it might be a little different from other races out there.
P.S - Huojin rocks 
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Tushui philosophy reminds me of Wu Wei, which is summarised often as ‘result through inaction’. It’s a school of thought that promotes allowing the natural to take its course before achieving the intended result (and is so described like water, fitting the Tushui thematic). It pushed forth literature and the arts, as well as added to philosophy—it’s basically the Chinese version of Socratic thought.
I’m trying to think what Huojin are meant to be based on, if at all a part of Chinese philosophy.
Maybe that’s why I prefer the Tushui; it feels more thematic.
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Aysa speaking with the ghost dude on the Wandering Isle further drills home Taoist philosophy imo
I’d say that Wang Yangming’s thoughts on how right and wrong can’t be separated from human action reflects Huojin philosophy enough. I think it was also some of the seven sages who believed acting by impulse was good?
Go Huojin or forever regret your choice
And what about Pandaren roleplay on each side? I know there’s Ronin on Horde. What do we have on Alliance?