Whats the problem with waiting 1 hour for a bg? You knew this was coming when you chose horde in classic.
No one cares that alliance takes 1hour to even enter a dungeon because of ZUG ZUG everywhere. Why should anyone care about your queue times?
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This is complete garbage. Please clip it, or record showing how it took you a hour to get into a dungeon? Please.
you say you do not care about the problems of the horde, but immediately write that you are against changes. If you are not worried about the problems of the horde and you are still on them, you should be all the same for changes. If so, then you are writing that you are against changes only because of your toxicity.
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Yeah I’m the toxic guy for not wanting my faction to be ruined by stupid changes just so the priviledged horde can have even more ez mode. I get it.
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how will it spoil the alliance?
“Oooh the horde has instant queues, okay, I’m leaving my guild, my friends, my dressed character and the twinks and go play the horde.”
So you imagine it? it doesn’t work like that.
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What happens if they leave it as it is? Some horde people quit the game - making faction balance better and reducing the queue time for you. WIN WIN.
If enough Horde crybabies quit the game the “problem” will fix itself.
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It. Wont. Be. Ruined. “ez mode” by having queues equal as Alliance?
Loss Loss. As you, and other alliance players have clearly stated, horde is the overpopulated server. Guess what happens if horde all unsub because the game is unplayable for them? The game will die.
But with how unbalanced WPVP is, what happens if the Alliance players all unsub because the game is unplayable for them?
I play Alliance only because I’d rather not play as the overwhelming majority even though I’d prefer to play as Horde. (Nothing to do with insta bg queues for me, I’ve not started bgs yet)
I think HvH is a good thing and anything that fixes 1hour queues in any game is great. However they do also need to incentivise faction balance for PvP servers so I’d also like to see changes aimed at this.
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Is the game unplayable for Alliance in the world though?
I am genuinely asking. At this stage it feels like Alliance are self fulfilling their doomsday prophesy.
I get ganked all the time. As horde. It has not been unplayable, its the price to pay for playing on a PvP server. Gankers will gank. Irrespective of faction.
I know people bring up P2, and for good reason. However, I do not see this happening in TBC. Well, I havent yet.
This right here is why the arguments against HvH battlegrounds are fruitless most of the time. People like playing the “under dog” for lack of a better word. And people enjoy playing alliance, irrespective of queue times. Same goes for horde.
Also, thank you for your post. It was highly respectful, and logical 
On a theory that has proven true already. What is it you dont understand?
How was it proven true? Where? Show me where? Please.
Retail.
10 characters.
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No please, dont bring it back.
I’d prefer faction change over this a thousandfold
When did you last play retail? Im not sure what this has to do with faction imbalance, because I played over 2000 games of arena in the last season, and I would honestly say I went up against more alliance than horde. But it wasnt by much. Also, just running around you see plenty of both horde and alliance. So again. What?
For me personally it’s not “unplayable” but extremely frustrating as we’re always outnumbered in a majority of areas, briefly we might occasionally match or marginally outnumber horde but that’s why I moved to this server. Since moving to the server the imbalance has grown and this is backed up with numbers on realm statistics.
I would prefer to be horde in general and for my first boost character have been looking for a close to equal Ally/Horde balanced realm for me to boost my Horde character on but even the ones I found, Horde are gradually outnumbering Alliance. I don’t really want to win by default in WPVP and I’d much rather it be fair in a sense that if we do kill someone whether or not they are outnumbered they actually have people in the area to help whereas currently as Alliance the numbers just aren’t there to compete with horde in wpvp.
- Some of my friends are on Shazzrah which is 75% horde, my realm is 60% horde.
Mograine
EU EnglishPvP 7045
2438 / 35% Alliance
4607 / 65% Horde
Venoxis
EU GermanPvP 6495
2379 / 37% Alliance
4116 / 63% Horde
Golemagg
EU EnglishPvP 5975
2292 / 38% Alliance
3683 / 62% Horde
Razorgore
EU EnglishPvP 5725
2179 / 38% Alliance
3546 / 62% Horde
Just by the numbers you can see why Alliance could get ganked more frequently with less help nearby and also even the ones nearby can rarely match the Horde numbers.
For anyone only reading this post and not my previous, I welcome HvH but I also want something to promote faction balance and fairness in WPVP.
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You are telling me that Alliance is in a good spot in Retail? Are you for real?
Soon we will have it back and all crybabies will quit the game and the community will be so much better without the edgy crying kids.
How nice! Looking forward to the announcement this week!
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A theory that has proofs in terms of player population distribution and retail example. Come on we aren’t 14yo anymore and seen where faction disbalance leads and won’t wait till you say “Yeah Alliance was right about disbalance” because no Horde would admit that positive playerbase growth of their faction is feeded by Alliance deserters.
on the private i tested before tbcc they had free respec for alliance, free land mounts, 2x xp, and keys for hcs at honored, was still 60% horde
blizz needs to come up with some real solutions
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And what was the population of it? You need at minimum 1-2K of players that actually want to play and not just test before TBC Classic release.
IMHO faction balance will never happen. One of vanilla servers had 52%/48% and BG queues went crazy when one faction just stopped participating to some extent. Same with PvP realms - like lately Alliance transfered off some NA PvP realms making them mono-faction. On retail monofaction realms were a common thing too.
IMHO if they would want to do anything with this then it would be a somewhat groudbreaking change like every realm is warmode on/off only and if you enable you are in the warmode on layers and you can’t enable warmode if there isn’t enough opposite faction in the warmode. Then war games for BGs but maybe not instaqueue but like after 10-30 min of normal queue? And underrepresented faction could have some dynamic bonuses like in retail it checks current warmode stats - bonus dailies, bonus rewards/thingies, cosmetics.
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