One shotting paladins with 3 immunity spells + tank legendary. Ye right… go kill it with a rogue sure! Arms warrior ?? Let’s not even talk about that.
BFA rogues were dead. Here it had some hope. No more… Every class in the meta has countless ways to counter rogues and it literally makes players like me thinking of quitting. It’s just ridiculous.
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you must have played a different bfa because the bfa i played had assa rogues dominating literally every season.
rogue/mage and RMP are still top tier combs. Idk what you are talking about. Rogues are strong
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Yeah, the current meta is pretty rough for sub rogues with warriors everywhere, and in general so many counter comps being good.
He probably meant sub rogue. It looked like it was finaly going to be good this season. Sadly they had to overnerf it (just like they did in the beginning of BFA). Assa is kind of boring, not the same.
RMP as a comp might be good… because of the mage (however they have better options than playing with a rogue now anyways). Sub rogue is still bad.
14 years of RMP domination and still RMP(X) is S tier
“blizz why me rogue can’t keel plox fix”
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Rogues just need a soft redesign tbh.
The current design of Sub is absolutely terrible and 100% in need of help, but please don’t just buff their sustained damage and call it a fix; I’ve had enough of Assassination training people from 100-0 and having a solo kill window every 20 seconds in a Kidney.
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As I said multiple times the problem of the current Rogue is being slave of restealth + 100% crit legendary. If Blizzard reworks legendary, Cloaked in Shadows and reverse the damage nerf Rogues would be fine because they would be a threat with every Shadow Dance would be a threat to the enemy not only these after restealth. currently arena vs Rogue in 2s is constant Benny Hill simulator of keeping him in combat and him trying to drop it to instantly restealth.
This is also the reason why Assassination Rogue suffers because they nerfed Kyrian. This playstyle forces NF as PvP covenant for Rogue with few exceptions (Pshero playing Necrolords). NF allows to gain distance quickly and restealth behind the pillar. Since Feral or Assassination aren’t popular Kyrian Flask lost a lot of value for Rogues. Removal/Rework of the legendary and removal/rework of Cloaked in Shadows combined with other legendary buffs opens new opportunities for Rogues. It basically brings playstyle Rogues are known for a long time instead of this gimmick.
In my opinion basing on ladder and performance in PvE doesn’t show it but Rogue is one of the worst designed classes in SL similarly to Warlock. Affliction is a victim of Soulshape. Because it is in the game Blizzard made it extremely squishy because otherwise Affliction would be unkillable best spec in the game if it would be as tanky as in Legion with baseline portal and gate + Soulshape.
Assa ? It plagued the expansion way too long.
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EVERYONE is happy if all rouge players quit tha game i hope they dont nerf warriors cuz they are making games much more better by making destro locks and rouges quit they must be strong whole expansion the only thing that they need to nerf about warrior is venthyr condemn and thats it
they are like snakes eating those rats that had so much fun in bfa like rouge and locks i deeply wish warriors stay strong i prefer to face warriors than facing rouges and locks
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Such posts are what’s wrong with PvP community. Every spec should be viable and playable.
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Rogues are pretty much CC bots now.
Sub 100% feels terrible outside of dance.
they are viable but not broken cuz warriors are there to deal with them if they go out of control so
You can say the same about PhP, Jungle, L S D, MLS, Mage/Boomy, god comp, turbo, thunder, warrior/dk… You want me to continue?
Some classes just works best together. Mage and Rogue is just usually a good pair. Look at ret and hunter together lol. Just because Mage/Rogue has been annoying doesn’t make it unique in that way at all.
You sound like a trash player lol… No offense. Assa rogue was never considered proper rogues. Sublety was pretty much gone through Legion and BfA. I bet you 1000% you wouldn’t manage to play a sub rogue yourself.
Everyone hated assa. Even rogues hated assa. People were just forced into it to get rating.
I agree and disagree. But Cloaked in Shadows is needed for rogues atm. You got no chance as a rogue at all without that conduit right now. Try fight anyone with bleeds without that talent and you won’t EVER get a stealth again.
Couldn’t agree more.
I don’t care about the rest of ur post, but that’s absolutely a stupid statement. Rogue is rogue. You can’t say “it isn’t rogue that was good when it was only assa!!!” that isn’t how it works. Some people hating the spec doesn’t make it any less of the class itself.
For example, personally I hate unholy DKs ever since apocalypse became a thing in Legion. It’s clunky, it can be kited, it unnescessarily fills up the screen and yet unholy still counts as a DK, does it not?
It’s an absolutely stupid design, but it’s still the class itself.
that can insta kill you in a cheap shot
which is available about 70% of the time and the other 30% you are easily able to reset the fight and restealth.
rogue tears are delicious and they cry even if they are still broken if they are able to press more than 3 buttons
Uh no, not really. Just find them while they’re stacking up the debuff close to you if you wanna avoid that.
Rogue is horrible right now, they’re both one of the most annoying classes to face as a healer since they’ve got their stun chain that had a minute CD in Legion now available pretty much every DR reset unless you chase them down and prevent restealths except for vanish which can’t be stopped either way.
Yet their damage is gone after the legendary crit chance has faded, so it’s all tied up into that kind of gameplay by design.
It’s a horrible way to design something. It’s both frustrating to face, as well as frustrating to play.
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when people actually learn that they do not need the stealth stacking debuff to crap on you in a kidney or cheap shot?
shadowstrike easy crits for 6k+ and evis for 10k. If you activate shadowblades on top of that you will get more shadow dmg + all the auto attacks
it is not exactly hard to do 40k dmg in a kidney.
Never said otherwise, but it is soooooooo easy to restealth as rogue that you got pretty much perma uptime on that stupid leggo.
Actually you only need it when you have a go ready with your partner anyways.
Don’t forget, rogues don’t play alone and if a rogue “just” do 30k dmg in a kidney and an mindgames land, anyone will be dead.
What is horrible about that?
Rogues saw play in the AWC and I am pretty sure rogues are also high on the ladder in 3s, 2s and even rbg.
Yea such a sad spot to be in 
feel really pity for them. Next i feel pity for is frost mage, because they are also horrible according to this forum xD
Well, shadowblades is the 3m CD which you’re supposed to trade CDs for in order to survive against. The tricky part when facing a sub rogue is knowing what to trade when though, which requires teamwork.
A lot of people are being farmed because people below high rating don’t generally plan such things, and overlaps or missed reactions happens.
And now cheap shot has turned into a kidney? xD
Thought you were talking about the oneshot build.
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Lemme check my memory… “Hmmm, I found one, what is that an Assa rogue? Spamming auto attack on me then running behind pillar why? Oh what is that debuff? x11 Gushing Wounds?? What the hell, why do I see ‘Release Spirit’ on my screen, rogue is behind pillar!?”
Yea, they were definitely dead.
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Hmm let me think. Didn’t RMD win Blizzcon even before Gushing Wounds?