I am a rogue player and the current PVP "balance" makes me very sad

I remember something like that yea. Then I remember pikaboo spamming auto attack on tournament and killing people with Gushing.

They were always op briefly, the guy probably had a bad dream about bfa rogue and thinks rogue sucked during BfA :grin:

I can’t believe people are replying to a guy that just said Rogues were dead in BfA. ROFL.

I played only season 1 and 2 of BFA and I remember them being good then as well and you talk about season 3 and 4 so it actually means they were good through whole expansion lol.

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you don’t need a special build to delete someone.

doesn’t matter, pick one. Works in both stuns.

You already need to trade cds in the opener even if the rogue doesn’t use any cds because this stupid legendary is already a free cd by itself.
Some classes cannot even use their defensives in a stun or other classes just gets deleted through their defensive cd.

rogue already enables other busted classes like mages. If you got so much control, you don’t deserve this high burst.

but 90%+ of the player base is playing in lower ratings were they get one shotted. (also happened to blizz con players, so take it how you want)
The design is just terrible, similar to convoke or combust. Just 1 second you don’t pay attention and a player is deleted.
If you then combine both of those it becomes more than stupid.
RM is strong for a reason.
Maybe rogue mage is less strong if you got perfect gear, but this just won’t happen on live servers. That is the reason why rm(p) is not thaaaat great on AWC.

Certainly not because rogue is weak.
Even if rogue has negative dmg, it will be better than a lot of specs

you heard it first here guys

rogues are weak

I mean just because a rogue can’t easily burst down a tanky spec during a cheap shot doesn’t mean that the spec is underpowered. Imo the entire spec (sub) is extremely oppressive and allowing stealth in combination with frontloaded burst is weak game design and never goes well in any game. Sombra got also nuked in Overwatch and Eve/Twitch got nuked in LoL with Riot even saying that they rather “destroy” two heroes instead of allowing them to destroy the game.

Bfa rog was sss tier and broken beyond all Addon tf ur onn

14 years dominanting pvp as rmp rogs are weak hahah hahahah hahahajaahhaavababab

Sub needs a re-design. Blizzard just needs to wake up and stop trying to make every spec viable everywhere. Don’t take a perfectly viable pvp spec and try to turn it into a pve spec and screw it up in both places.

Sub in its current state can never be balanced, just like in BFA. It will either do too much damage and be broken, or do no damage like now (minus the gimmicky one shots) and be a boring CC bot.

rogue actually doesnt to that much dmg outside of 3 min cds. Evis doesnt crit 10k normally. More like 4 to 5 k in general.

rogues are more then fine stop trolling

Sure. But just because assa were strong as hell, doesn’t mean sublety should be unplayable. It’s like saying because disc priest were strong, holy shouldn’t be either this season.

Sublety and Assa are very different.

Hope it made some sense, might have made it sound kinda confusing…

Then let me put it another way: Very few DKs I’ve ever met, have said they’ve liked DK gameplay ever since the prune at the start of WoD.
Yet some have persevered, still kept going, even when frost was extremely OP. Even though they’ve kept saying how they hate the gameplay because it’s too dumbed down, they just played it because it was what worked to push as.

If you’re gonna go into strengths and weaknesses, then you can’t go into the rabbit hole of spec vs. spec. Because then you have 2-4 specs per class to consider and weigh against. As long as the class works, then the class works. The rest is just sprinkle on top of the ice cream.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying rogues shouldn’t be good. I’m just saying it’s factually incorrect to claim rogues were bad in BFA. They weren’t. (Honestly I don’t know, who tf could be arsed to play in BFA through all of those m+ runs. xD
I’m just referring to the perceivable consensus here on the forum for that statement.)

The problem right now is just a PvE design meant for pulling pack to pack, that has forced its way into becoming the playstyle in PvP too. It doesn’t mean rogues needs “more damage” per se. It means they need a complete redesign. Same as hpalas.

It’s ridiculous for a rogue to get out stun chains every single stun DR reset. The ONLY reason it isn’t stupidly OP is because they nerfed the damage output to compensate. Still just annoying to face, and annnoying to play as. Ergo, redesign needed.

They are but their design is stupid

Yea but rog was op long enough so its finally time they gutted this free Rating specc

Lol… A warrior calling out rogues as free rating…

it’s been 14 years till today that RMP reigned, more than a decade of being meta

can you say same thing about wars?

Now war became meta and every rogue cries constantly.

It’s gone. 14y is long enough.

Bro you obviously haven’t played all expansions. And yes, warriors has always been viable and has always been able to play multiple comps. Dude just stop trashing rogues. Rogues have a way higher skill-cap than warriors. The skill-cap of warriors disappeared with the release of WoD.

Bro!
Dude!
Stop trashin’ rogues!
Rogues have higher skillcap than wars!
Bruv please! QQ

Ask anyone anywhere what is hardest to play… A warrior or a Rogue. Ask a streamer even.

Tell me the last time warriors were bad or not viable. Typical warriors.

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