I just gave you the damage done by just zul’gamux blood siphon and the crawler over 6 seconds. “LOL JUST PRESS DEFENSIVES AND HEALING CD” is pretty laughable, given that the damage numbers there are just from those 2 abilities alone. There’s also other mobs alive in the pull. Absolutely nobody does that pull.
We were dropping when I had hots on everyone, flourished and convoked and had ironbark on the tank. It was not healable. Our HP didn’t go up during the convoke even with flourish active, we were legit dropping in hp during the most powerful CDs a druid have.
My goodness. People seem to just exclude every word i say 100 times that i would not suggest it myself. That i would not recommand. But we do talk here about someone who is used on a +30. So he expected something. Maybe he indeed overpulled. He underestimated. So what?
I get this same nonsense doing streets +15 and then my group does not understand how much we actually control the dungeon on our pushlevel. And we almost wipe on double pulls.
Yes, that’s why it’s not a good idea to have them all happen together unless you manage to line them up and have everything ready. Which still doesn’t make sense when you could pull something else that does less damage, dies faster, and gives you just as much count. Again, don’t understand why you got it into your head you have to defend this pull, when it’s simply not a thing people do, and for good reasons.
So, he made a bad choice detrimental to his group. No need to defend it. Having done a +30 doesn’t excuse stupid decisions in lower keys. I’ve done a 28, but that doesn’t mean I get to freely make dumb decisions in a +18 and be excused just because I did the dungeon on a much higher level.
And now read further and quote how many times i do not suggest it for pugs. (or actually not suggest it at all).
You just search and quote to make a 1 sided story.
I’m well aware you don’t suggest it. Yet you’re still making excuses for the guy who did it, just because he did a +30. If you know it’s stupid and don’t suggest doing it, then don’t excuse doing it for no reason. It’s that simple.
thats not problem of pugging. that problem of players who are to lazy to use in game voice tool to establish how they will play the dungeon.
so next time they shouldnt be lazy and discuss for 30 seconds before they do first pull -or better communicate all the time establishign how what they will pull and if cds are up to handle it.
i honestly dont understand why so many people refuse to talk - its 2022 half of planet is or has been working remotely and spent thouands on hours on Teams. for teenagers communicators should be like engraved in their culture. yet people in wow refuse to talk to each other.
I’m not lazy! I’m shy… there is a reason why I play games instead of interacting with my social peers outside… If I wanted to voice chat with somebody I would call the help line for depressed people instead…
Last time I joined voice for a pug the leader was some guy that spoke with a really heavy accent from some slavic language and I couldn’t understand what he was saying at all due to that. If he had spoken Swedish with such a heavy slavic accent I could probably make out what he was saying but not in my second language.
While i agree on that isnt it same as now ? Lets say its about 15 and not 30s , as that rather impossible for most .
With current system , have 15 key u deplete it , but since u are doing 15 already 14 shouldnt be imposible so u do that. Then u get 15 again, not timed ? Do 14 again and try again, un u finish your 15 in time then do exactly same again and again…
Without depleting only difference is u dont have to redo 14 to 15 . Yes it takes something away but it realy isnt as drastic as OP described it, if there will be no depleting( an upgrade only on timed keys) the someone timing 30s would still mean a lot and it wont be just because that person spamed X dungs
I’ve found people that fail keys at those levels and get angry about it are people that are not consistent enough to get it back to where they want the key to be. I watched some guy earlier today that I joined, it was a +15 gambit when I joined. He kept listing it in the group finder, it was just going lower and lower over like 1½ hour. He finally finished it at +10.
I know why it was failing that bad. He was the tank. He pulled 5 groups right at the start of gambit. We got blown up by explosives. “omg healer”. Told him I can’t do explosives if there’s more than I have GCDs.
Then I see him going for the same pull again and I just left. Like, you just saw what happened when you pull all of that, WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME PULL AGAIN.
the answer is simple - because he seen good players do that pull and didnt realise that they succeded not because you will succed it by default only because they are much better players then him , they know how to use interupts / stuns, they have gear to survive it etc etc
i see way to many suicidal tanks who break keys because they pull above what group is capable of while they would easily time the key if they just pulled careful .
like today GD 17 . pull before last boss 6 minute left at that point - im on shaman and im telling tank - 30 sec till i can use eleemntal. guess what he does 2 sec later - doing huge pull and ofc wipe the group. had he pulled careful untill elemental was up we would faceroll that group and timed key . but ofc it was not timed because he was just hoping that we will yolo it .
