I am once again asking for more "safeguard rails" for new players in Mythic+

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

@Siene-arathor

I had a holy priest spam flash heal in a 6, details said something like 20% and it was on the top of the list of spells casted and they were always OOM - this isn’t how you play holy priest is it?

In m+ its not terribly far off. Flash heal brings up your big ST heal quicker so its flash heal / serenity / prayer of mending etc

Your top heals will be serenity / flash heal / echo of light (mastery from heals). After that another talent proc then renew / prayer of mending etc.

There are different alternatives in the talent tree but its a pretty simple / effective / brute force approach.

[Dehraward-kazzak]

it would be less likely, since account sharing is against tos and boosting isn’t.

I would love to hear your fix, but you don’t have one. All you is do is sit on the forums and complain with no solution lmao.

You are literally terminally online, yet contribute nothing.

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

Ive yet to hear a problem statement that isnt laughable. All you seem to do is suggest solutions to problems that only exist in your imagination.

[Dehraward-kazzak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/dejarous#partition=1

with your 20 parse i bet you know what’s best for the game lmao.

It’s not in my imagination. You literally just live on these forums, you pay a sub to waffle here xD

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

@Dehraward-kazzak

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/dejarous#partition=1

with your 20 parse i bet you know what’s best for the game lmao.

It’s not in my imagination. You literally just live on these forums, you pay a sub to waffle here xD

An lfr parse from Feb. Gosh, you destroyed my feels, We all know lfr parses correlate with knowing whats good for the game!

Meantime, lets make a solo challenge to gatekeep group content because you’re mad stops get missed in a party sometimes (can’t possibly be a communication problem, right?).

peak game design brain.

[Eredarling-frostmane]

I think the solution is simple. Create a new updated proving grounds with npcs. Not allowing you to do mythic+ until you’ve passed the challenges for the role you’d like to play.

[Jdouci-azjolnerub]

I’ve heard this was implemented in MoP where you had to do Proving Grounds to a certain level if you wanted to queue up for dungeons.
Now, I wouldn’t mind because I find it sensible. But, back then, people completely lost their sh!t over it. So much that blizz removed it.
Nowadays, I don’t think it’s a big issue. If you queue up in reasonable hours, it’s difficult not to be carried by 2k+ rated people who farm crests in +2s.
I believe the experience OP describes happened at like 3am. At this hour, all matchmaking is wild.

[Exodeo-aggramar]

Honestly the issue also is that some people just don’t know how to play their class and the step up from heroic dungeons to M0 + and m+ is too big for the learning process too. I had a Holy Paladin in a BH +4 last night, that didn’t dps at all and therefore barely had any holy power to spend on the actual healing. I was tanking on a 499 prot pala alt and couldn’t do any large pull or it was a wipe, think the run was at around 20 deaths by the end and I was just happy to finnish the dungeon at that point (we didn’t time it)

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

@Exodeo-aggramar

Honestly the issue also is that some people just don’t know how to play their class and the step up from heroic dungeons to M0 + and m+ is too big for the learning process too. I had a Holy Paladin in a BH +4 last night, that didn’t dps at all and therefore barely had any holy power to spend on the actual healing. I was tanking on a 499 prot pala alt and couldn’t do any large pull or it was a wipe, think the run was at around 20 deaths by the end and I was just happy to finnish the dungeon at that point (we didn’t time it)

I am afraid the current playstyle of holy paladin is not playing with holy power. The spenders are so far nerfed it is better to play around infusion of lights and casting. A word of glory is less heal than a flash of light Allthough you can move while pressing WoG, so you will use hopo. But the average heal of a holy shock and a flash of light both are more than a WoG.

[Exodeo-aggramar]

In that case I misunderstood the playstyle, any other reason why this paladin struggled then that I may have missed? They were around 500 ilvl along with most the group so it definitely wasn’t a gear issue

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

I don’t know why he struggled. Obviously in a +4 you can also just got a crap player. But unfortunately holy paladin is wrecked too Other healers maybe still have some buttons to compensate for unavoidable damage (or non defensives pressed). Hpala is a trainwreck and has nothing anymore.

[Exodeo-aggramar]

Noted, so i’m not touching holy on my paladin alt then

[Siene-arathor]

These dungeons seem so much harder on tyrannical than fortified.

Also I seem to have to play healer in order to have a reasonable amount of success, cause when I tank, more often than not, I get bad healers.

[Dramuir-anachronos (Dramuir)]

@Heramaar-argent-dawn

The Situation - Horrible key attempts at times

[Link removed - even if it might not be the intention to name and shame, the names are still highlighted]

Edit in case of moderation: No, those players aren’t exclusively at fault here. I am not shaming them for their inexperience. Just that the game doesn’t prevent them from having bad experiences. That’s not what they pay for. That’s not what I pay for.

Tank and I did 65% of the entire dungeons damage. The group died 41 times in that run. It took 59 Minutes and 29 Seconds to finish this instance. 8 Minutes of those the group kept wiping over and over again at the first pack because 2 of 3 DDs never used an interrupt (for the record, I was the one interrupting of the DDs).

I repeat again, it took 59 Minutes and 29 Seconds for this Dungeon. That’s ca. 25 Minutes longer than it should have taken on average.

Sure, we could have left the group, but at 2 AM there aren’t that many groups searching for a specific key, so it was basically make or break. At several moments the Tank and I considered to quit the run, but we always managed to push further.

By the time we reached the 2nd boss (the Storming Boss) we were already at 4 Minutes remaining (remember, the key has like 42 minutes from the start).

And the worst of it all is, this was JUST a +2 key.

The Issue - Players not ready for that activity trying to participate

Look, I know it sucks to get told to come back later when you got better gear and grind some Heroics and M0 first, I myself was there 1-2 weeks ago and it was very annoying. But I really think such players wouldn’t attempt harder content if they would get told beforehand that they aren’t ready yet gear-wise.

And before someone comes in here and say “I’ve been tanking it on 460 ilvl, what you talking about”, oh shut it! There are always a few exceptions and those are never the rule for everyone else.

As I experienced first hand myself, those players need more safeguards so they don’t waste their own and our time with setting up groups for content they aren’t ready for.

It was very quickly clear that both the other DDs weren’t that good at their rotation, with the Warlock later on stabilizing a bit during the boss fights. They also didn’t seem to know the mechanics for the first boss at all.

The Solution - Add proper explanations to the Adventurer Guide - Update Mythic Key Tooltip | Display recommended Item Level on Group names (even if not written by the host)

Every encounter of a Dungeon should have clickable, more detailed explanations. Perhaps even with a video example like Overwatch ability previews work in the character sheets.

All players should see a recommended entry item level for the key they try to do / list up for. The Dungeon Finder has this already when you are too low for heroic dungeons. It literally tells you something like:

• “Current Item Level: [Value] | Required Item Level: [Value]”

Here, proof of it, if you don’t believe me.

https://imgur.com/a/csq0T0D

Add a similar text section to each mythic key that recommends the minimum item level you need to be on the numbers scale, just as Blizzard did for the heroic dungeons.

Alter the text to reflect that. Also, put on group posts a “recommended item level” label, so every player knows that they should be at least that high to participate.

See it like a height check for a Rollercoaster. If you are too small, the seatbelt won’t hold you and you will likely injure yourself. Those safeguards exist for a reason.

Same can be applied to Mythic+. If someone isn’t ready for that content, they should be told that. Not by us players after trying the key but by the game instead before they list up.

Also, the game should have a tutorial point to the Isle tutorial to explain item level and what it means too.

With that being said, rant over. I go to bed now. It’s 4 AM here.

This is funny.

Not so long ago i wrote a thread about getting kicked in M+ for daring to expect people to know the mechanics in a M0.

There were the usual forums rats and others all railing on me for beign thsi horrible person ect… They were all sayign things liek …

Good that you got kicked
We dont want a person like you in wow
ect…

You can image the rest and all the comments blastimg me for daring to expect people know the mechanics.

I wonder if i went though the entire list of people who commented here if i would find the same people. I know i would find some forums rats. They cant resist offering their opinions. They offer them on every single post. You know the ones. They have those names that are instantly recognisable as being somebody that spends mroe time here in the forums…than in the game.

The result of not knowing the mechanics is the situation above. Participation medals have a cost.

Found the thread… 372 people responded …most prolly wanting to tear me a new you know what…

Got kicked for this response to a stament in a M0

Statement was…Slow down i need to learn this dungeon… I responded…sorry mate…this is M0…if you wnat to learn them go back to normal. 2 sec later…kick… how sad is that?