Nobody is consistently lucky or unlucky.
If you do some things right, you will be able to climb by winning more than you lose.
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Still.
I think it is unfair to call someoneâs achievements a âluckâ. Just because you could not do it.
People said to me, but your arena rating is x your that is y.
The answer is simple, arena requires different set of play style and thinking, rbgs require different play style and thinking.
I am a huge moba fan and player, and this is my advantage in bgs. I feel like playing moba, but from 3rd person view.
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Thatâs literally simply all I am trying to say. THAT is my entire point.
And thatâs why they should change the mmr system for Blitz. Itâs too punishing currently because it is tailored towards personal/team performance as is with Arena and with premade RBGs.
You can control your team in both of those, thatâs why losing is punished the way it is. If you want to win more then⌠get better as a team.
âŚThat is not an option with random team members. It never will be.
You would think so but nope.
I know that it feels like a personal attack but it REALLY isnât. I know you probably have played very well as elemental and you deserve that rating if youâve done so, but to deny that luck of the draw regarding team mates is not a MASSIVE factor is, sorry for saying so, quite delusional.
Yes and again - Arena/RBGs also require a premade team. Blitz is with random team members picked sometimes. Thatâs why they should have different MMR systems.
okay i cant take it anymore:
Your main warrior:
- In Shuffle as Fury - 50% winrate at 1676 peak over 310 rounds played.
- In Blitz as Fury - 42% winrate at 1553* peak over 90 games played.
Your DK:
- In Shuffle as Unholy - 40% winrate at 1129 peak over 30 rounds played.
Your Rogue:
- In Shuffle as Assassination - 43% winrate at 815 rating over 23 rounds played.
Your Hunter:
- In Shuffle as Marksmanship - 45% winrate at 1404* rating over 71 rounds played.
- In Blitz as Marksmanship - 44% winrate at 1372* rating over 18 games played.
Your Shaman
- In Shuffle as Enhancement - 25% winrate at 288 rating over 12 rounds played.
Your Warlock
- In Blitz as Affliction - 38% winrate at 1362 rating over 21 games played.
Your Mage
- In Shuffle as Frost - 41% winrate at 1336* rating over 78 rounds played.
- In Blitz as Frost - 52% winrate at 1531* rating over 31 games played.
*denotes current rating is lower than its seasonal peak
Youâre a 1500 player. You have played a half dozen different specs, some of which are busted OP, and you have a positive winrate on ONE!!! character in ONE!!! bracket yet youâre on the forums daily calling your team mates bad and bragging about being the 10th best warrior in the world at one point.
Take an ice bath or something and reset your mental. Holy jesus, iâve never seen someone as delusional. Genuinely insane that you can fall off your bike 300 times in a row and conclude each and every time that it must be a ghost pushing you off your bike because uh, you were once the 10th best cyclist in the world 10 years ago.
Iâm putting you on forever ignore because man, I thought you were just delusional on one character then I checkpvpâd you and realised you have an actual problem and tbh, its not even your skills at the game. No one cares if youâre bad at WoW, but the fact that you blame it on the outside world is utterly insane and pathological.
Unlucky with team members.
The rest of the classes do not matter since Iâve not really played them before in PvP. Iâve merely tested them out just for fun since Iâve not touched those classes since the Talent Tree revamp and I wanted to see what their gameplay is like and whether or not Iâd enjoy them.
Nope.
Also nice cope with the first-time-1900-ever achieved this season after a lucky win streak.
I have -tried- them to see if I enjoy them. Iâve played them at most for 2-4 days.
Many I do not. Notice how none of those classes besides warrior have ANY gear because I did not bother capping my conquest or my bloody tokens.
Why? Because I ended up not enjoying those classes.
Any idiot can look at statistics but it takes someone with a trained eye to actually understand them.
Youâre the former.
That sounds awfully lonely.
You should make some real friends! the gameâs more fun that way!
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OH and by the way naming and shaming is against the forum TOS and is an actionable offense. It also derails threads from the actual topic.
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You claim heâs a 1500 player yet heâs gotten Duelist in the past. Thatâs not 1500 mate. I mean he does have a point. Itâs maps like Deepwind Gorge n such, huge maps where thereâs only so much you can do. It requires a great TEAM effort. Most BGs do tbh.
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Sorry for the late reply! It was 3 a.m. when I was writing, and I could barely focus.
People often ask me, âIf youâre such a âgoodâ BG player, why havenât you reached higher scores in RBGs?â before
The answer is: Well, I started playing in Legion after years of playing on the private servers. As soon as I started playing in the official game, I was so happy that there is an option of having rated BG. (As in the pirate servers, all I would do is spam BGS, my internet was slow, and my PC could not handle raiding. )
But, the requirements to join a decent RBG group were absurd â they were asking for typically 2.2kâ2.4k XP minimum. How can a ânewâ player even start doing RBGs without that experience? And letâs say, by some miracle, you got accepted. One mistake, and the whole Discord lights up, making you feel like bad.
A single loss usually leads to the group disbanding, so youâre stuck spending another hour forming or trying to join a new group.
Thereâs almost no room to grow in that environment, which is why BGB has been a breath of fresh air, even if it isnât perfect. Honestly, BGB is the best thing to happen to WoW PvP in 20 years.
On top of that, the toxicity among WoW PvP players is on another level. Not all, but the majority. Even Dota 2 and League players are smoking on the side.
BGB gave an opportunity to test and show your skill. And it is far from just being âluckyâ. But again, my advantage in the BGB is I see it as a moba game, aka Dota/WC3/HoTs.
As some, like Leeches, have pointed out, if youâre stuck in a certain bracket, maybe thatâs where you belong. But hereâs the thing: you asked me to send my characters, and I did. If it were just luck, why did I get lucky on all three of my characters? But you did not with 7+ characters of yours?
Also, thereâs nothing wrong with asking for advice. When I started BGB, I began with this character, DM-ing top Guardian players for tips and asking for feedback on Reddit and in here.
The real issue here is that you claim to be the best or a top player, but if that were true, you wouldnât be where you are now.
Lastly, Iâm far from lonely, my life outside of the game is full and happy. In-game, though, I prefer not to group up because I want to show my âskillâ. But sometimes, that just leads to over-trying and mistakes and slacks.
Cheers.
thats like calling me a 2400 player because i got it 10 years ago. today i am 1950. today he is 1500 on 7 or 8 specs and blaming his team mates rather than himself. stats donât lie. if youâre trying your hardest on a half dozen specs and are at 1500, youâre there because you belong there, even if 10 years ago you were 400 rating higher.
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Of course it does but if you actually do a little towards objectives you will get out of 1,5k mmr. Its not like the game matches you against r1 players. The opposite team is about the same mmr players.
is it still luck if you win 15 in a row?
Its not a coincidence I am doing bad on Hunter compared to other Speccs. I played like 8games of shuffle and 20 random bgs hunter in my lifetime. I cant properly do the 1v1 like a good Hunter can that can carry so many Arathi, Gorge or Mines alone.
A good Hunter would have won probably 10 Games more out of all these I played with mine.
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Youâve never been higher than 1999.
Youâve a pretty big mouth for someone who has never achieved anything in the game prior to blitz.
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good one i guess. pretend what you said is true - would i be wrong?
Then do whatâs within your power. Donât give the other team free caps, contest every base. Check your map. A nearby base uncaps â> you go there. Anticap if there are opponents, take it for free if not. Arathi is the same.
People lose there because they give away free caps and commit way too many players in their team to a base that the opponents effectively anticap with fewer players. Knowing when to peel off is key.
It is true.
Itâs odd that these are no longer common knowledge. I feel that the quality of people who play organized BGs has gone down by a lot since WoD. Back then, simple things such as regrouping before attacking and fighting on the flag were practiced even by the worst groups, but now? I hardly ever see it.
okay - then am I wrong?
all youâve done is told me my peak rating is 1999. are you going to tell me why iâm wrong or are you just upset that my peak rating in your mind is 1999?
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I am just saying that the condescending tone is a bit funny coming from someone who has never been a gladiator in 3v3.
Do you think its condescending to tell someone who is 1500 on a half dozen characters, that he is a 1500 player?
Is it an ego thing?
Why would you need to be gladiator in order to relay this information to someone who blames their team mates for every loss on a half dozen different characters?
The discussion here is about Battlegrounds Blitz, and not about the Arenas. These two modes demand entirely different skill sets, even a person who never PVP-ed knows this.
Also what is up with these âaccusationsâ, when someone lacks valid arguments, they quickly shift focus to âArena ratingsâ. Letâs be real here, arena CR means nothing anymore, especailly when it comes to 3vs3, you can literally join any Boosting community and get yourself a guaranteed elite rank, and by the end of the season, it even comes with a bonus win-traders.
Itâs not about what rank someone reached in âxâ or âyâ â itâs about skill in the chosen mode. Battlegrounds have their own unique challenges, and achieving success here speaks volumes on its own. And unfortunately, the individual above, lacks it. And is very selfdefensive about the âsuggestionsâ and ârecommendationsâ.
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Iâve not been actively playing 7 characters, he nitpicked 7 random alts I played on and off for 3 days to try out specs.
Iâve only actively played my fury warr and been unlucky with team members on that.
Again purposefully misconstruing my argument. Seems like youâve got some poor reading comprehension.
The point was never âI am a top playerâ the point was âI have some experience in rbgsâ.
Those are two vastly different statements.
Am sayin. Lmao.
when you nitpick random alts (most of those are chars with <3 days /played on them) yes.
Youâre desperately grasping at straws trying to find a counter argument.
For you and Ulfor yes obviously it is? He literally admitted as much when he said he doesnt think its fair to say its luck when he did his best.
That went out of the window when he started naming and shaming altsâ ratings.
LITERALLY what leeches did. No valid arguments thus resorts to bashing alt character ratings.
That can be said for Blitz too. Maybe you wintraded?
Not an accusation Iâd make in your case, but itâs still something somebody can do.
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I am not the one who started flaming peopleâs ratings.
And lets not pretend that RBGs/blitz takes a lot of personal skill. Itâs mostly based on luck, setup, and being able to play with a competent second player. And only then comes gear and personal skill. People who claim that their high CR in blitz is purely due to themselves are suffering from a form of main character syndrome.
And it is perfectly fine to criticize the, poorly implemented, system.
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