They aren’t, no.
But they’re pretty adamant about defending equally outlandish character concepts.
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I will admit, I’ve had a bit of hard time following things at times because as I talked with them about before, they seem to take even the nicer criticism/actual discussions directly to heart personally.
Aka, if someone mentions undead being considered evil, they react as if they were told they as the OOC individual is evil.
It makes it a bit blurry to follow for me at times.
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God bless you, haha. I am so happy to see you here, you have no idea. Yeah, I just wondered what’s bad about playing a Death Knight Draenei (the OP’s problem). People started to say that it’s ok to treat such a character in game poorly because it’s a villain’s role. Like, if you’re playing an undead then you necessarily have to be a cruel, evil, menacing nuisance, and it gives people the right to harrass them. And if you try to have personality it’s lore-breaking and totally unacceptable.
I argued that as long as the person creates a plausible biography and tries to fit their character into the lore as much as it’s possible it should not be a problem, because we are all meant to have a good time in the game we love and share interesting stories. For that I was accused for promoting playing “Scourge in capital cities” and ruining other people’s rp experience.
I just think it’s really hard to stick to the lore that is constantly being altered and butchered by the creators themselves, and it’s a freakin’ fantasy world where being, let’s say, an undead elf shouldn’t be such a wild sight. It’s such a basic thing for me that I’m genuinely surprised people are taking it so rough here. Many Forsaken and non-Forsaken sentient undead were once part of the Scourge and then they broke free, so? Many undead were resurrected long after Arthas was defeated in ICC, so? It’s another thing if you are posing as a presently active Scourge boss in Orgrimmar or wherever, but if you are a regular law-obedient undead I see no issue here.
After reading this I feel obliged to echo what Vixi said about you seemingly having a hard time separating IC from OOC.
If you can’t handle people criticising your character IC, maybe consider playing something else.
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And, once again, nobody said there´s anything bad with playing a Draenei DK, just that the person will have much more difficult time to pull it off than some easier concept + will not be allowed into many guilds as DKs don´t fit into them.
For someone who keeps repeating the “perfectly reasonable explanation” stance, you really seem to be unable to grasp the idea that characters would have perfectly reasonable explanation for hating undead death machines.
If you play DK, your character has to have undending urge to cause pain and suffering, and if they don´t, they will go crazy. That´s how they were created.
And yet you´re defending things like Fel Orc in Cathedral of the Light.
I´ll just repeat myself and say that your criteria for “plausible biography” seems to be borderline non-existent and you´re just angry that people disagree with you.
“It´s fantasy, lol” is such an absurd take that is being constantly repeated recently to justify bad writing and nonsensical decisions. Fantasy still has to have its own internal logic and WoW´s lore has been quite consistent when it comes to how Death Knights operate and how many living (especially those in the Alliance) see undead.
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My friend, you can play whatever you like. Go RP Argus himself in Stormwind, or a dark ranger in duskwood, or a fel orc in a cathedral or literally whatever. I will not stop you or say that you do not have the right.
But please understand that no one is under any obligation to cater to or acknowledge outlandish character concepts like that. They do not have to entertain the idea that such a thing is normal, nor are they obligated to warp and twist their character in a way where they would be friendly to such entities.
Nor do most people want to. Fortunately, or unfortunately it seems in your case, most people are inclined to stick closer to the actual foundation of the lore. Trying to force them to do otherwise will not work, nor will it make them more willing to humor you.
By all means, enjoy all the freedom in the world to RP whatever you wish*. Just know that others also have this same freedom, and can choose to RP, or not RP, whatever they wish*.
*within the confines of the ToS, of course
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This thread in a nutshell. I said that a fel orc is less annoying to me than a flooding amount of high elves in the Alliace, and now people are almost saying that I roleplay a fel orc in Light’s Chapel and soon this will go viral, lmao
That’s not all too Outlandish. Plenty of evil undead there.
A dark ranger running the inn in Darkshire however, is.
But high elves are in the Alliance. That’s a weird hill to start climbing.
I can only disagree with this notion and maintain that people have woefully lost sight of what does or does not actually fit in Duskwood’s general atmosphere.
Entirely depends what the Dark Ranger is doing.
A remnant Forsaken loyalist or independent undead taking pot shots at what little Alliance presence is around? That’s decent.
Running an inn or shop, whilst baking cookies with an Ebon license… Ew.
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With all respect, I think your own very snarky attitude doesn’t help people’s misconceptions and understandings of whatever point you are trying to bring across.
Especially so with what I already mentioned, that you seem to intermix OOC and IC quite heavily. If I make a remark that citizens in Stormwind generally don’t like undeads and for the longest time have seen them as evil, I’m not talking about you, the person currently typing with Quillestra the avatar. I got nothing against you at all.
What I am talking about is in-character, in-universe attitudes and reaction. And you seem to confuse the two alot.
And it gets more confusing when you also bring in other concepts that people have an issue with while also in return being snarky.
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No one is “almost saying” that you roleplay a fel orc in the Warcraft Vatican or whatever word or term you’re going to twist next to cater to your own narrative, lmao.
It’s however not completely unfounded that defending an outlandish concept over a perfectly reasonable one puts you a step closer to being able to roleplay said outlandish concept.
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I will also touch on this with a personal viewpoint. While I find frustration with Blizzards retcons many times(as do alot of people) the core lore itself is not particularly difficult to follow or adhere to. Very little on that point has actually ever changed much, if at all.
If you are having a hard time staying to the lore, perhaps it is because you are deliberately going for already vague and difficult concepts to both play and justify? Not everything needs to be special. You can also play “just an elf” and it will not be as awful as you might think.
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Thousands of high elves reemerging in Stormwind = fine.
Several Darkfallen / undead elves dying, coming back to life and joining the most available sentient undead community = not fine. L. M. A. O.
Once again, I didn´t say that.
You should really take a step back and actually start reading what we write.
Also, if you don´t want people to think you´re defending outlandish concept, maybe don´t say that you like it more than an Alliance race being in the streets of Alliance capital.
I RPed in Stormwind yesterday, saw probably 10 at most.
The entire AD RP community doesn´t have these numbers.
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AGAIN, perfectly reasonable if you are reffering to regular Darkfallen chumming up with the Forsaken or the Ebon Blade.
San’layn since that was discussed earlier, are not regular darkfallen. They are a very specific group that are very specifically still loyal to the darker part of the Scourge and not friendly to either faction.
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Still angry that you can´t get into Rotgarde, I see.
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On this note aswell, guilds can impose recruitment limits as they see fit. It is their guilds.
Just because a guild will not accept undead elves(despite being an undead guild) doesn’t mean they are bullying or being evil. It is usually done due to some kind of reason related to themes of said guilds.
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There are thousands of elves in the Alliance, many of them would realistically live in Stormwind - the capital of the Alliance.
There are countless undead elves (un)living amongst the Forsaken, none of them are San’layn. There is no issue with people RPing regular undead elves as Forsaken. No one talking with you on these forums have claimed otherwise.
I have been trying to get this through to them for a fair while now. Dark rangers are not “regular” Forsaken, they are the Forsaken’s elite. While the Dark Lady reigned they were intimately tied to her, many of the remaining loyalists were dark rangers.
For a guild like the Rotgarde to impose this limit makes perfect sense.
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I agree, it’s absolutely abysmal the amount of retcons the game’s lore has gone through in the past 5 years alone.
A-a-a-and its gone.
You take a correct turn in the first half of the sentence and then you butcher the feedback that has been given to you to victimise yourself, instead of saying something along the lines of “I do not wish to spend IRL money on outsourced canon books to be in the loop of the current lore”. Which is also fine, btw, which is what most of the people are doing either way.
But you chose to willingly be ignorant with the lore that you are being provided this very instant, in this very thread, by so many people, and you go act full surprised that
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