I have an issue with DF's crafting changes

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

That’s trivial content, in the way that you don’t have to prep or min max and every body can actually do it.

Then my and your definition of ‘trivial’ is drastically different.

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

It’s just a matter of investing time, which has nothing to do with skill.

So?

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

Which is actually healthy.

So, then there’s no need to limit it even more. Right?
If that’s actually healthy.

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

Gear being irrelevant like in Legion gave the rise to raider io because gear was no longer a way to determine wether or not a player is able to actually play the game.

That’s insulting. ‘able to actually play the game’.
As if THAT content is ‘the only part of the game that’s actually THE game’.
Please don’t be so narrowminded.

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

That’s pretty much good ol’ crafting we used to have 'till WOD. Nothing more or less.

Good ol’ is not good. It’s bad. The old game was elitist and bad.
Yeah, I said it.

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

@Tah-earthen-ring

So… After all these years Blizzard still hasn’t learned and is STILL catering to the few % at the ‘top of the WoW endgame scene’.

Shameful.

Didnt they had something similar in wotlk…possibly earlier but my memory is bad . where crafting mats used to drop from raid trash and bosses. People seemed content back then as well.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Didnt they had something similar in wotlk…possibly earlier but my memory is bad . where crafting mats used to drop from raid trash and bosses. People seemed content back then as well.

I wasn’t. Later on in WotLK is when I quit WoW because it was so elitist and unfriendly towards anyone who didn’t raid.

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Then my and your definition of ‘trivial’ is drastically different.

Fair enough.

@Tah-earthen-ring

So, then there’s no need to limit it even more. Right?
If that’s actually healthy.

It should be slightly more limited.

@Tah-earthen-ring

That’s insulting. ‘able to actually play the game’.
As if THAT content is ‘the only part of the game that’s actually THE game’.
Please don’t be so narrowminded.

In most RPG gear has a link with hard content, that is fact. So yes, WQ freebies giving Heroic loot lead to the rise of elitism because people assumed at first that anyone with a given ilvl already cleared the raid (spoiler :no) so they no longer could rely on ilvl to pcik players.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Good ol’ is not good. It’s bad. The old game was elitist and bad.
Yeah, I said it.

I kinda miss times in which players would just actually… Play rather than focusing on ilvl they’re never going to get…

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

WQ freebies giving Heroic loot lead to the rise of elitism because people assumed at first that anyone with a given ilvl already cleared the raid (spoiler :no) so they no longer could rely on ilvl to pcik players.

Sure, but that sounds quite different than what you said before. I’m fine with this wording.

Have to say though: Boosting has taken the throne in that regard (with the gear - skill relation).

@Shihiroki-kirin-tor

I kinda miss times in which players would just actually… Play rather than focusing on ilvl they’re never going to get…

I’m not even that focussed on ilvl. I’m focussed on progression.
I like to feel like I’m progressing by doing the things I do. But that progression was severely limited in Shadowlands. I’m hoping things will be different in DF.

But… This topic is about crafting…

All I would like to see in this overhaul of professions is a way for the crafter themselves (so not other people - not people who put in crafting orders) to at least be able to make SOME BiS gear after all the work put into the profession without the need for ‘big 3’ high end reagents.

It doesn’t need to be a full set. 1, 2 or 3 items will be enough, I believe. Just an extra perk for the crafter who went to all the trouble and expenses and time to become ‘good at it’.

[Zliz-the-shatar]

look as energeering u can make

I.W.I.N. Button Mk10

[Barry-the-shatar]

the only reason people need gear that is that strong is to be able to complete the higher level content, if you are not in mythic raid then you dont need mythic raid gear. i dont see this being a problem, its not like its absolutely neccecsary for someone doing world content to be in full mythic raid level gear,

i really dont understand why people feel entitled to things that they have no intent on actually earning through playing the game, mythic quality loot only being available through playing mythic content make perfect sense.

[Bacuda-darkspear]

It depends, I havent really read into it much, so my knowledge about the new crafting system is not great, but if the crafted gear in the end, ends up being the same high ilvl then mythic raid gear for example, then you really shouldnt be able to get those materials by just mining or something,
it should be equally hard to get the mats to be able to craft the same ilvl item that drops from raids or higher keys/high rating.