Luckily i think in communities there’s way less trouble tanking
More tanks have to have this mantra as well.
Keeping an eye on DD CDs and healer CDs is important on deciding the route. But since I wont do it (have enough on my plate as it is) I wont complain if the Tank does not do it.
Just do my best to adapt to the situations and burn mana if necessary (I can always drink later).
guess atal dazar is a little bit special.
Pugs cannot handle left side but if you go right, you still need to pull 2 packs from left and then people get confused.
I even move to right side then the whole group was waiting still at left side and then they even pulled themselves. They didn’t even realize the tank was already 2km away at the next pack.
dps players generally turn their brain off for everything and notice absolutely nothing.
Besides AD I didn’t have a lot of runs where people actually talked to the tank.
I did have tank that complained about my healing because they died in a +11 to 1 pack with ilvl 475. There are still tanks that think they need healing because they don’t even press buttons. Usually you see that when a DH tank does 40k dps you also know that they randomly die to every pack.
It also depends on each one’s tanking strategy, I am not much into the CD watching side as I prefer chain pulling and larger packs all the time based on my CDs to make run more engaging for myself and DPSers knowing they can blow off the cover all the time. But that is just personal approach and maybe specifics of Blood spec.
I agree with others preferring different philosophies.
Yeah the more freedom you get the more trouble you get. Like freehold is a troublemaker too. Luckily there are quite some lineair dungeons this season.
Atal dazar has the Yazma problem too. It is the easiest dungeon in the dungeon pool but up to +20 i havent found any group that actually knows how to do that boss. Rezan maybe 10% knows where to stand for hiding too. It is crazy.
Last week we got a pug dps telling our tank he had to pop spiders in a +24 So often we just let the 1 random pug dps die and we kill yazma with 4.
Depends on the key level you play and the specific comp you play. But in higher keys its not a philosophy. Its a mistake.
Just to give you an example: 1st pull of ToT (with BL and all CDs available).
You can take all the pull. And chain enough AoE CCs to shut down casters for ~30s.
However, if the pack does not die in 30s, now you are stuck with 4 casters that can potentially 1-shot people.
Of the 1st pull of BRH. Thats another example.
Those pulls usually work fine because DPS is high.
But the 2nd corridor in ToT, I have seen too many tanks pull the whole corridor as well. But with out all DD CDs off cooldown, with out BL, and with the healer having half the CDs available.
Thats where so many wipes happen.
So its the tanks job to asses if he wants to split the pulls (all the casters and then the 2 big ones). Chain the pulls once 1 or 2 of the casters are dead. Or to take it all at once.
So I would reconsider that point of view if you do keys above 22.
if you dont take into consideration people 2-3 min cds as tank then you are doing a bad job as tank.
if you played a dps you should know how annoying it is when you see tank suddenly pulling like 1 pack when you are used to most of tanks pulling agresively in those spots alowwing you to pump not sit on cd or waste cd on small pull .
if you meet with this as much as you claim - you pull way to safe .
ye and MDI didnt help with that too
that said what i seen in groups - the general consensus for most of pugs is :
on tyranical weeks - straight into rezen and bl then you end % with either dinos in mid or skip dinos and pack on stairs near 3rd boss.
on fortified weeks - packs on left with bl then rezan and then you skip dinos in mid
I take into consideration 2-3 min cooldowns and pull accordingly
Yet it happens exactly as i wrote: people claiming i should also have taken their 1 min cooldown seriously when they are the only one with a small cooldown. Which is only interesting for meter padding by said dps than a gain for anyone
Asking me to pull big and hope that 1 min cooldown will be enough. When others have none or are recovering.
And i play dps roles aswells, as posted before, simply because of changing up my play and being aware of everything. Same with healer roles
So yeah, i keep it all in mind and check it aswell through my WA’s or omnicd or something.
Point is, people are never satisfied.

that said what i seen in groups - the general consensus for most of pugs is :
on tyranical weeks - straight into rezen and bl then you end % with either dinos in mid or skip dinos and pack on stairs near 3rd boss.
on fortified weeks - packs on left with bl then rezan and then you skip dinos in mid
And when you follow this rule you still get complains about not going rezan first on fortified weeks, or going rezan first on tyrannical weeks.
Overall with pugs i think the best is to go rezan first always and ever, since rezan is there. When it is about an optimal route Rezan is your 2nd or 3rd boss (probably 3rd), since you go all the way left. Not really a good idea with a pug.
The good thing about atal dazar is till a certain higher level, every route is in time. So why would anyone complain.

Pugs cannot handle left side but if you go right, you still need to pull 2 packs from left and then people get confused.
You can kill every totem group on the right up to volkaal and then you kill middle packs and you’ve got 100% on the rest to priestess, without going left.
yes but the totem packs takes very long especially if nobody stund the shield guys ;/
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