I no longer see WoW as a game with a story

Everything has been censored to kindergarden-safe levels. PG 6+

Hugging, crying, we are all friends and a big family!

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Unfortunately it isn’t just a problem limited to World of Warcraft. Many fantasy settings are gutting their depth, nuance and grit.

In no small part because they’re increasingly written by individuals who are more interested in trying to preach to or get back at the fans of the setting itself.

They’re arrogant enough to believe that their way is better but also fail to grasp that not everyone needs a setting to be sanitised in order to enjoy it. Some of us quite enjoy it when a story isn’t afraid to get dark.

There’s another layer to it all, of course - namely ESG funding which many companies are rather shameless at pursuing even at the detriment of the good will they have earned over the years.

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I know you’re right and that’s probably the inevitable evolution of the industry :frowning:

Yet, it feels like they asked some random Mothers’ Facebook group to write the story for them.

Don’t they even try?

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Well, how can you expect otherwise from a family friendly game called WARCRAFT xD

It’s kinda hilarious how disconnected the current devs are from what made the Warcraft universe popular in the first place.

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Yes, they are very disconnected, like a completely different universe altogether

But not only that, the storytelling is beyond horrible. The characters are finishing each other’s sentences. Like this was done for literally 6 year olds

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aren’t we getting grit and darkness in next expac?

I really hope so.

When people said they brought back Chris Metzen just to fool us, I didn’t believe, but now I don’t know what to think.

He’s either not leading the creative process yet, or they want Dragonflight to just die off asap and be forgotten and have the good narrative for the next expansion

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he joined like lesser than 2 months ago, what do you expect him to change?

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Unfortunatley WOW become a game for kids who are maximum 6 years old and all this story with alliance and horde kissing together is awful.

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Is this about the Ysera/Merithra cinematic?

They’re mother and daughter, of course there’s a hug and a few tears when Ysera is about to leave her daughter and go back to the afterlife again.

There’s a lot of “Sensitivity training”-level stuff in the game, but that particular bit makes sense to me.

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And meanwhile the most popular one by far was Game of Thrones (until they gutted it, too)

You’d think they would get the message.

PS: (after the like) Anyway, I never thought WoW was a good storytelling vehicle. It’s a good world building vehicle - telling the story should be done in an RTS series running alongside it.

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Most popular doesn’t mean the best, especially considering that warcraft is high fantasy setting and got is very grounded low fantasy, they have very different themes going on

Tbh the story ia absolute garbage. I love Warcraft, but DF and before SL was lame as hell, since i just play it as dungeongrinder and dont care about story anymore. I hope with TWW it will get more dark again.

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Certainly most popular doesn’t mean best, but it certainly doesn’t mean horrible waste of money to make, either!

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But how you will translate grittines in groundness of got into warcraft! Formula of GoT’s success is not that it’s “gritty and dark” it’s political drama with relatable social commentary. Warcraft is high fantasy setting, it employs fights against cosmic evil, not commentary on genocide

They’re not mutually exclusive themes. Warcraft had entire nations that were decidedly low fantasy in terms of their tone and aesthetic. It also at least attempted to lean more heavily on intrigue in the past to various degrees of success.

I’d personally prefer a lot more focus on world-building and for each playable race to actually be allowed to have their own agendas and goals once again. It made them decidedly more interesting and memorable.

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story was so bad in DF that i barely touched PVE not even world quests i mean dragon daycares? gtfo
please focus on wc3 lore it still has a million cool things to take from.

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No it’s not. It’s Warhammer meets heavy metal with a dash of humour.

This is the problem. This dev team doesn’t even know what Warcraft is. And although he won’t admit it, I think they finally managed to break Samwise. :frowning: He effectively said that there was nothing more he could write that he hadn’t already written, and that he didn’t want to work on someone else’s fantasy world - he wanted his own. If that ain’t saying Warcraft stopped being Warcraft, I don’t know what is.

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Next person who tries to incorrectly use the age rating system, look the damn thing up

12s is 1 over PG, what kind of debauchery is supposed to be legal for 12 year olds?
What kind of uncensored utopia lies in wait for a 12 year old in a 12 year old rating?

WoWs 12 rating is as old as the game, why are there sudden shocked pikachu faces now?
And this conspiracy that somehow a 12s rating is secretly an 18s rating?

Y’all need therapy.

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warhammer meets heavy metal almost sounds like tautology, got is high key political drama, there are large focus on dialogue about political intricates, not epic dialogue about philosophical concepts and vanquishing evil demons from outer dimension.

There is no “low fantasy” aesthetic, it’s about how universe work and what kind of themes fantasy piece uses, for example witcher is low fantasy because it’s devoid of higher forces and has focus on grounded things, while lotr is high fantasy because fellowship is heading off on adventure to kill literal satan embodiement of evil

As always ishayo, brillian deduction, almost like it’s wishful thinking to confirm your worries, because it’s far more palpable that you can just tire of constantly working for 40 years, might as well deserved pension