I want to express once again that WoW needs proper ingame news about updates and unlock-summaries

Nobody is saying that googling is hard. It is more the question why it is needed for basically everything in this game.

Who said anything about google? Everything you need is ingame if you care to look for it. Talking to a npc or opening the achievments tab is pretty basic stuff.

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If you say so.

I currently do not know how to open warbanks. Or where the prepatch (daily? weekly?) quest is. I need to google it. I probably can talk to the right npc and be done. But what is the right one? I say google. I can’t find it by myself in dalaran on valdrakken.

And i only know about the existence of those things because i hang out on the forums.

Did you concider looking at the quests that popped up automatically when you logged in? There are literally quests that guide you to both warbanks and radiant echoes

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Well, apparently i do not have those quests. Literally.

There’s a lot to be missed if you’re not really going deeper into it.
We had a couple of players asks us how to get this or that or how to do certain things in Remix.
Frankly, if you are casual (its a spectrum) its easy to miss out on things in this game.

So yeah, I can see where OP is coming from. I just don’t see a good solution other than players needing to search a bit harder for information.

As I don’t think it was particularly hard to find out after you checked the vendor or like me go: “Why don’t I have rings, neck or trinkets?” and proceed to find out.

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Wait, what? Are you daft? Everyone knows that actually playing the game is way too too much effort… Accept a push quest that automatically pops up? No, no way, they just want us to waste our time playing the game to get rewards.

/sarcasm off

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Excuse you?
I do quests when I want it, not when this pop-up in my face tells me to do it.
Breaks my immersion as a role-player.

but sillyness aside…
I only got the pop-up quest for the pre-event AFTER having talked to the relevant quest NPCs already…and it jus directed me to our lovely archmage and then that was it…no follow up anymore since I already did the mini-story.

So yeah, there’s enough reasons why people can get confused.

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I didn’t play MoP at all outside of Remix, so it could have been also very likely just old achievements.

And that was exactly my thought process. I also didn’t realize this Phoenix mount you get for lvl 20 in Remix is from an achievement. I thought I got lucky with a drop instead.

Sorry to disappoint you. But no one is an all-knowing.

And you are correct. I found all of those vendors… The APPEARANCE and MOUNT ones.

I haven’t found any vendor for gear yet in remix.

So your expectation that everyone doing that quest immediately knows where what is, is unrealistic.

Which was exactly what happened to me.

Just because some popup leads you to an achievement you just completed doesn’t mean someone will also sit down and read all the achievements they are still missing. Sorry, but for many people the game DOESN’T revolve around chasing achievements.

Take the one from Legion for example for the Army of Light weapon skins. I would NEVER looked it up, if it were not for seeing one of the few players actually using those transmogs in some timewalk dungeons on their character. That got me to look up where the appearance comes from, which then make me look up the old achievement for them.

In general, the Achievement menu is very un-intuitive when it comes to rewards. You can’t even preview the achievement reward if it is a transmog or mount to know if it is your effort worth or not.

Meanwhile in (the soon to be dead) game Destiny 2, we can look up EVERYTHING in the collections that is still earnable. Shaders, transmogs, mounts (Sparrows), Ships, Emblems, etc. and from what activity source.

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This I can understand… my raidleader had the same “problem”, because he hates leveling and questing in general. Warband bank was easy to find, he just looked down at the new tab next to his reagent bank.

Where he got tripped up was accepting the RE prequest, which requires the Harbinger storyline to be completed first. And that in fact wasn´t entirely clear, I had to spend about 10 minutes figuring out why the popup never came for him and running true /false completion scripts to find out where a along the harbinger questline he abandoned the line… that actually took longer than it did to complete the rest of the Harbinger line. :rofl:

But even he had to admit that it was kind of dumb to not just complete it because campaign quests in general only take a few minutes, I think he learned his lesson. :beers:

But for players like that, it might be nice to have a different Push-popup, push the quest that needs to be completed to continue… But the technical implemantation of such a feature isn´t anywhere near as easy as suggesting it is due to all the variables involved. :confused:

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Hm… i might be in campaign-limbo since i changed main 2 weeks in DF, and then in season 3 again. I do not have 1 char i have done the campaign completely. And it isn’t going to happen either.

The warbank is accessable in the bank without a quest? That would be nice. Will check.

People also forget the in game adventure guide.

However, people don’t use the resources in game that already exist, they don’t read the announcements that blizzard publishes with news of things coming, nor do they follow the news sites. Incidentally Blizzard announced the requirements that you needed to do the Harbinger quest in advance and still it autopopped for most players. There will always be some anomalies ofc.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to go in blind and/or rely on talking to your friends/guildies to discover things.

However, I do not think there is any purpose to Blizzard wasting more time and resources on things when people don’t even pay attention to anything that is currently already available to them. If you are someone who doesn’t want to ask friends/guildies then you can google. There are hugely detailed guides available from full on handholding to the same kind of overviews Blizzard already gave.

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I think those things are very individually usefull or not. I am very vision based. Reading something without seeing the current situation on screen will basically give me 0 information. Reading the journal guide is making me understand less and more confused about encounters than first seeing the encounter and then searching for the relevant information what everything means.

It just has no use to me to read up beforehand. It only makes me more confused and with that frustrated. I need information at the moment it is relevant. So i play and when i get into trouble i google/youtube. And unfortunately it is very often needed.

Its not about being all knowing. Its about paying a little bit of attention to the stuff happening arround you.

Proof of that : tons of people played MoP remix with zero issues. They figured out how to do everything just fine. Its not rocket science.

So TLDR of all this is : All the stuff you “assumed” was a mistake. Nothing more.

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Oh please. Some people have such narrow visual fields. Blizzard can come to their doors, stamp their head with “Servers will be offline tomorrow for 2hs” and people will still complain on the forums “whiiineeee, nobody told me! MAh cONSuMEr rIGHts!”.

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I wouldn’t call a small hint in the launcher, the menu and in the chat a good display of information.

You waste on average maybe 5-10 seconds on the Battle.net launcher, with your eyes focused on the “Play” button mainly. If you are playing only a few alts, you waste maybe 20 seconds tops in the character selection, with your eyes focused on your character list, which is on the right side, while the news field is on the left side. And the chat message that a server maintenance shutdown is immediate is easy to miss still.

What wouldn’t be easy to miss is a pop-up that shows up like the “What’s New” thing when you log in that needs to be clicked away. It confronts you upfront you with it and makes it harder to just tunnel-vision through by accident. Simply because the information is put right in the center of the screen, where 95% of the time your attention sits when playing WoW.

Tbf, the adventure guide barely tells you anything about acquisition of items aside of Dungeons and Raids. It doesn’t tell you where you find specific currencies or similar. Only what dungeons drop what items, what raids drop what Item, the item set list of specific expansions. And then we have the suggested content page, which shows you old and new things alike, so many don’t bother with even looking through it.

So true… You could put the town orchestra in front of (what often feels like most) people’s door, write it across the sky in letters so big that even blind people can read it, have the rockettes do a song and dance number in their living room, and get Robert Englund to deliver it to them in their dreams accompanied by flashing neon lights, and they´d still turn around and say nobody told them

At some point, the ignorance has to be considered willful and not worth wasting further time to combat.

So, something EXACTLY like the screen filling popup at the beginning of every effing season, that has links to the new raid, new campaign, and other new content… that for some reason all these peopel still seem to manage to not take notice of?

Again, when does the ignorance become obviously intentional? I´d say pretty much exactly there. :beers:

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Idk in what world you live but that pop-up has 0 link-functionality in it. You aren’t directed to anything by clicking on images or text lines on it.

Ah, really? It might be a side functionality of some addon i have installed, because for me if i click on for ex. the new raid it immediately opens the adventure guide…

If that function isn´t there by default, then yes, thats an oversight that could do with fixing.

But on the other hand, not opening teh AG or questlog yourself at that point is arguably also willful ignorance, since it´s not like you have to go find a rare spawning NPC in a zone that´s only controlled by your faction 50% of the time…which is apparently a completely reasonable and obviously more that intuitive enough thing when it comes to just about everything else except informing oneself … I mean, People can somehow figure out how to effectively farm the time lost protodrake, but can´t be arsed to click on a button in their UI? :wink:

Nor should it. You have a currency tab.

The adventure guide is for seeing what is new, what you can do, what content is available to you etc.

So for those people that have either dismissed the popup quests, some addon has stopped them or simply didn’t get them for some reason:-

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