Yh i like rpgs but id not turn wow into one. Its just not designed that way.
errr /10 characters.
You mean to tell meâŚ
That World of WarcraftâŚ
One of the most known MMORPGs
âŚâŚis not an RPG ?
Thank you.
Not in that itsva solo rpg which ofc is the issue.
In fact wow has dedicated servers for rp within its settings.
In general usages no its not a flat rpg such as breath of fire final fantasy 7 etc those are 2 examples of mr using the term rpg yes?
Wow is described as an mmo which whilst it embodies traits similar to generic rpg does not make it an rpg.
I can skirt round this endlessly but somone is gnna disagree bc the game is what you make it.
It is not described as an rpg by the company that make it so no its not marketed as an rpg its as you yourself stated a mmorpg which makes it more than just a standard rpg ff7 does not have a few million ppl on a server at one time .
The correct answer is it is and its not its what you want it to be.
I dont see my warrior as a great hero saving the world bc i dont rp perse which to.me makes it an mmo over an rpg
You do understand the R in RPG right?
But the NPCâs doâŚ
Npcs are background noise theyâre the role play element i mentioned.
It is their interactions with your character are that are designed to immerse you and several million others in the story of the game.
Yes the whole rpg thing is in there but the game in and of itself is more than just an rpg.
Yes btw i understand what the r in rpg means.
Wow is more than just an rpg.
I also see that you wish to swing the conversation your own way, fact is i disagree with wow being limited to just an rpg its so much more than that.
I use the word roleplay a lot because wow has that element in it.
It also has community freindships and connection to others 3 things that a standalone rpg just does not have.
Back to what i was sayingâŚ
Cloud strife for eg is a chara with background a story an origin.
When you make a chara on wow u get the generic background thats pre crafted.
So yes there are elements that try to shift the emphasis or pure roleplay such as pagentry from a boss like arthas but the vast majority of ppl dont play wow as an rpg they play it for community and freinds both of which transcend the roleplay element which makes it more than just an rpg.
Yes some ppl only roleplay but as i stated those that do play in rpg / roleplay only communities.
Any online game will have that element brought to by peoples imagination.
Just watch the ibelin movie on Netflix and you will see just how much community and freindships can be forged and how much they matter.
Take away from that and the rpg element is intrinsic but its also optional, you dont NEED to roleplay on wow its an option which is why its not a pure rpg which ofc is what the whole conversation were having us about.
The npcs literaly get used for one thing, and thats to set a scene or story up.
Even their short stories such as draka their background sets up the why and how they react to your player chara.
Most rpg games dont have several million centre characters which wow does due to how many play the game.
The key take away is that npcs exist only to tell the story they precede wow due the lore of the game, rather theyâre used within wow to set stages and stories up.
The characters the npcs are based on however never existed to tell the story of the player theyâve been repurposed to that end.
So regardless of an npc being programmed to do somthing its not a player and the only interaction you get is a story driven piece of text or cutscene players obv dont work that way.
Take it like this just you and i discussing the elements of this make it more than an rpg.
Most rpgs dont have a company crafted forum to discuss things on, they may get a fan forum ofc but not a company made one.
The short end of this is yh there is an rpg element in wow but its not just and rpg its so much more.
Key takeaways are this wow is your game you think of it and play as you like.
My wow is an Mmo only.
Yours may well be an rpg where your the hero of azeroth.
Best way of looking at this is you do you 
Solo and game twink not perverted twinks we know what you AD players are like LMFAO
spamming delves basically can gear you up to level of heroic raiders so yeah xd
with crafting on top of it
and dont let me start on diablo 4 vessel of doodoo xd
i wait for black friday and still wonder if i buy it its so boring
I really donât get people that pick an MMORPG and then say they want it completely solo.
There are plenty of single player RPGs, BG3 and DD2 being 2 amazing ones recently.
Yes other players can be annoying at times but you just move on, thereâs plenty you can do solo if you want but the whole game shouldnât be that way.
Itâs like people that toggle warmode on, then queue/phase or run the moment they get into a fight.
Thatâs fine.
You donât have to get it.
Just give people the option to do so.
Does not harm or hinder anyone
You forget thou that delvs are catered around solo players.
Every expac b4 this the solo players get left behind to struggle which is unfair considering they may not have a pro guild or loads of freinds and time to raid with.
Just remeber this everyone pays a sub.
It seems as if blizz now pref to tune chars to elite levels of play with the mythic difficulties which leaves plenty of room for casuals to not have to struggle at all.
Its about time and realistically it wont affect the mythic peeps at all.
Instead it may actuslly add a bigger playerbase to the mythic element which ofc is good for everyone.
I like solo play.
I also like the grp content so perhaps a balance needed to be struck between the 2.
There is afterall nothing so disheartening as having nobody online to run a world boss with or a dung, the delvs fill the gap nicely.
Theyre also group content so they can move between the 2.
False. They are catered to those that dont want to engage in organized group content.
That is why Delves can be done solo AND in a group. And it was annouced that way by blizz.
i was thinking about giving solo players their own item tier
we have normal gear
pvp gear
and i think we should be able to buy delve-forged gear from reno jackson that only scales while youre solo
maby a stupid idea but dont worry blizz never read this forum xd
An oversight by Blizzard no doubt lol like them scaling with less hp with more ppl⌠do you see a summon stone.
No. Its to cater to those that want to âexploreâ old school style.
That is why there is no summon stone.
lol. 10/char
If its false then why do they have a solo mode ⌠the same argument you made can be pasted onto mythic runs bc they can get you very close ilvl to the current mythic raids.
Also i dont know of you watched the unveiling of tww but it was said on the stage that delvs are for more casual players to do solo bc the game did not cater for solo players at thst time.
Right after that feature was shown they brought up warbands so no they are for soloers you cannot do a 5 man dung at or above hc lvl solo.
Infact its the only lvl 80 content within a dungeon enviroment you can run solo which includes not having 4 npcs to group with.
Please before you try to prove ppl wrong refer to the keynote that blizz held over the xpac.
Yes you can group for them but you can also solo them which is impossible for all other instanced content at lvl 80, the 5 player learning dungs are not solo bc there are 4 npcs backing you up including a healer unless you are the healer, hell you can even have the npcs ahow you the route through the dungeon.
As for brann his system is designed specifically for delvs therefore its still considered soloing, he also will not show routes etc, ge does give the odd advice but thats not the same thing is it.
Also copy pasting what i said previously didnt make any diff id have known what you were talking about with a small explination.
I replied to the stement: Delves are made EXCLUSIVELY for solo players.
So I can uno-reverse your argument. If its for Solo Players ONLY then why can you party up and run it in a 5 man team ? Dont you have M+ for that ?
As you can see the number of players is not a factor for designing Delves. So it has to be some other thing. Which is the TYPE of content (un-organized GROUP content).
Sure. Here it is:
Il quote the relevant parts:
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Bring Your Friends or Go Solo
Along with your NPC companion, Delves can be explored solo or with a group of up to five, with any combination of classes. And, since they take 10-15 minutes on average to complete, theyâre ideal for players who want to experience a meaningful game progression without significant time commitments.
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You can go solo OR in a group. The KEY part is what comes after:
ideal for players who want to experience a meaningful game progression without significant time commitments.
That is the KEY element. Its for THOSE people Delves were designed for. Not for Solo Players.