The alliance didn’t win either.
Every war just ‘stopped’.
And whiny boys!
So the Wrynn king in Orgrimmar giving us a lecture on morality was just my imagination?
Make the Horde a horde again!. Mandatory pvp in alliance regions. Raiding castles! Burning villages! Pillaging towns!
Make those tree huggers and choir boys fear the horde!
No more of that 'Hero of the Light" crap. How DARE you call me, an undead belf, that??
Kill the blue! Make the horde great again! >:D
…which will never happen because some a-hole blizzard employee decided to get handsy with female employees so now WoW is Disney…-.-
I wonder how he feels knowing he castrated and ruined wow forever…
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The Alliance just beat garrosh and kinda left. They didn’t occupy or capture Orgrimmar. Or installed any new goverment in the horde. Come to think of it Varian was pretty lenieniet… No way i would have just slapped the horde on the wrist and be like ‘‘Bad hordie >:c if you do that again I get angy’’ xD
Now if the tables where turned and the other way around… Oof! Life would not have been kind to the citizens of the Alliance. Considering garrosh already where displaying captured civilians in Orgrimmar as trophies
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My day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable.
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You’re not still unhappy about this are you? We spoke about this.
We don’t know how the story is going to unfold yet, at least wait until then before complaining.
I would, because i love worgen. But i cant stomach the huggy carebear mood. Alliance just sucks! Imo.
So horde it is.
No they left AFTER they killed a bunch of notable NPCs. The losses were real.
Skullfox is right.
We won a fight against Garrosh, not the ‘horde’.
And that fight was not ‘alliance vs Garrosh’, it was ‘the combined effort of the alliance, horde (the ones who no longer wanted to follow Garrosh) and pandaren vs Garrosh’. So you counting it as an alliance victory is a bit silly.
By then the enemy was ‘Garrosh’s Horde’, which is not the horde that players were playing. Orgrimmar was freed from Garrosh’s Horde and returned to the real horde. Does that sound like a defeat to you?
Too Erevien it does: p because he likes it spicy… And he thinks the evil sides of the horde gave the Horde more flavour… Is my guess.
How close am I Erevien?
Imagine if this guy joined the military…
I kinda imagine Erevien as Zapp Brannigan.
" I surrender and volunteer for treason!"
It is not retreat it is tactical advancing in different direction 
Garrosh was part of the Horde until Blizzard decided we needed more villains. You wouldn’t understand that of course since Blizzard never forced you to raid your own capital.
Yes.
To some degree that is true. Like current Horde is very boring since Blizzard removed every leader or other NPC that could have had a reason to be mean towards the alliance on purpose.
They need to introduce a new Warchief.
I imagine a red haired Blood Elf with inhuman strength that’s super arrogant and hates the alliance. So he starts petty wars.
Or maybe a Mag’ar orc who wants to “Make Orcs great again”.
I’d take anything at this point. Make the Horde an actual Horde!
You… do realize the Horde was and is just nominaly “Horde”
The Horde died long ago, demolished and been defeated way back in WC2 and in WC3 what Thrall rebuilt was a very different thing, only the Orcs carried the name because it gave them some minisucle amount of identity and pride, last (arguably unhealthy) attachment to a past
The Dark Spear Survivors, the Tauren Survivors… even the Orc Survivors who tried to return to their shamanistic tribal roots and wanted peace was nothing like the abomination that was formed to conquer and destroy
And the later joined races, a handfull of undead, even less Elf survivors and a ship-worth of Goblins not really changed this
I’m afraid the “Horde” only existed in your head and your vision is clouded by nostalgia for soemthing that never was
Spoken like a true Alliance sympathizer. 
. Im kidding ofc
Though, the game NEEDS the Horde to be agressive. it NEEDS the faction wars. Players chose the horde because they seem like bad*sses.
Regardless of WC2 and 3, you can always introduce a new charismatic warchief that starts a war for whatever reason you can write.
If i want peaceful tree huggers and carebears i’d play alliance. We horde players need something different. Blizzard needs to return to making different campaigns for different sides.
Yes i know that is a lot of work, but what are we paying for?
I want to be strong. Not a bunch of misfits barley surviving with no access to any resources. The Horde isn’t that. That is why I changed sides. Blizzard doesn’t care about the Horde and BFA killed what was left of it.
No
No it is not
Factions could exist in peace, having their own identiy and philosophies, be their own thing where you “feel home” but they don’t need to be in constant and pointless conflicts
I know it is called World of Warcraft but that only means the setting is the Warcraft universe - and in the Warcraft universe the Horde that attacked Azeroth lost and what we have now not even a spiritual succcesor
You mentioned AION and SW:ToR a bunch of times, praising them and rightfully, they are great games
But name ONE time when the Elyos or the Asmodians scored even a single victory against the other
Or the Republic was victorious in any conflict against the Empire
You can’t (the Horde even if you take Darnassus had more victories than the Empire against the Republic - and pre-game sacing of Corsucant don’t count for obvious reasons)
Yet both sides are strong
Or Star Trek Online…
Or FF
The fact the Horde “exist” when it logically should have been disbanded long ago (Taurens got their home back, blood dept paid, Blood Elf slowly rebuilt Quel’thalas, those slaves Thrall liberated from your Goblin hero are have their own cartel and so on) or destroyed proves they are strong
But since WC3 - on witch WoW built on - the “Horde” was always a coalition of nearly extinct races, misfits who barely survived the numerous outside dangers
Again, the “Horde”’ you want only existed in WC1-2… and been destroyed and gone long long long ago
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