Yeah, that will solve it, along with Dual Spec - Right? Not like the Beta is filled with “LF Healer/Tank” and there’s even level 80 templates.
There’s a lack of people wanting/needing to play Tank (due to reasons), and it doesnt matter how the game connects the dots. More likely these Tanks that want to play Heroics will sell runs, like they have to this point, rather than doing it for free - as the “queue” is instant for them with or without RDF.
I do not really think beta would be good example for this due to people actually want to try the dps spec of that specific class not the tank and due to idea of testing not progressing people won’t use their dual spec to tank etc. But at least it can fix the chats that filled with LF healer/tank problem if we have RFD.
If there are Tanks in the general demography, there would be Tanks in the Beta, but there’s a lack of them even when there’s no effort in creating one or changing spec to play one.
In Classic classes that could Tank rather spam chat as DPS for hours than Tank themself. This for some low requirement dungeon that could be done without a proper tank spec… So obviously there’s more to it than connecting the players and having the “proper” specs.
Just with that post you ackowledge that Tanking for some reason takes the back-seat to DPS, so why would it be any different later on? May I remind you, the Beta is still “fresh” in that sence, which means there should be more reasons than ever to play.
Once all the proper Tanks get their Nax/Badge gear we will only see them as they are running to dungeons to do achivement runs with their guildmates =)
Dual-Spec will be used for PvP/Cleave/Single Target-specs, not for a Tanking spec you pull out of the pocket every 5th day for 20 min. Trust me with this.
The only hope, which I think will become the Meta, is to run with 4 DPS (some pseudo Tank) as the difficulty is laughable unfortunatly. Question is if thoose groups will invite bad geared players tho, or if they still will have to spam the chat anyway (but becuase of other reasons) …
Sorry to hear that, that’s why I avoid megaservers. People there are spoiled and never expect to put in any effort. Most of them are RMT-ers and jerks.
I had no issues tanking all heroics throughout TBC and it was even more fun with blue gear than later on when I had epics.
The problem with the lack of tanks is, dungeons require 1/5 tanks while raids 2/25 which doesn’t add up, so many people are discouraged to even attempt to fight for those 2 spots in a guild.
There is a lack of tanks on retail as well and there you have 1 more class that can tank than in wrath and everyone can respec when ever they feel like it, the lack of tanks will never go away, there is a reason why people had to wait 30-60 min queueing as a dps in wrath the first time around and thats because most people dont want to tank
Nobody does heroics because
You also said “LFR” when you meant “LFD”… LFD is a good feature how it worked in WOTLK, LFR is an abomination. If I was to gear another alt in TBC I wouldn’t go anywhere near Heroic Dungeons other than Magisters Terrace, I would just do 10 games of arena for easy S3 gear (you can get a S3 weapon with one weeks games) and do PvP dailies/bg’s for honor to buy S2 gear and S3/4 offpieces, filling the rest with crafted/profession gear.
After all that is done I would be geared enough to do Black Temple, give or take.
Awful solution. LFR or dungeon finder or whatever one might want is awful solutions and only create more issues.
There is only one solution and that is to add wow token.
Well it’s better than spamming on LFG for 2 hours and can’t find a tank at all. Also you will never wait that much amount for a tank on RFD mostly tops 20 min and on that 20 min I can w/e I want rather than spamming on chat.
Oh the sweet summer child, how about doing some search on how to gear up a fresh warlock in TBC Classic first?
The shock is that you didn’t needed heroics to start raiding. Karazhan is easy enough in a few questing and lvl 70 normal blues. In last patches it bosses had also started to drop badges.
Add here Zul’Aman, it also has badges to offer no one need bears anymore, so there a fewer speed runs and even in Gold Bids there are so low prices on gear except for a few p4 BiS that you can easily get a character ready for Black Temple / Battle for mountain Hyjal. From here you can stop PUGing and look for a guild having full BT/MH and any number of Sunwell bosses progress via Warcraftlogs. com.
However all this could be done only in 2 months. Now your best bet is only to level up your proffesions, farm gold for faster flying mount or simply level another alt untill Wrath releases.
No one owes you anything, why would they tank for free if they dont need gear anymore?
No it’s not better.
Because with forming a group normally you can actually get decent people.
With RDF you will get a bunch of randoms with blue gear that wipe on the first pack.
RDF worked well in original Wotlk 2008 ONLY because the heroics used to be so easy you could literally 3 man it. Even on the PTR people are just face rolling heroics as lvl 78.
With the new philosphy to make heroics harder this would not work well, because you might need actual CC and proper tanks. With RDF you could for example get 2 Ret Paladins and a DK.
This was also the issue with Cata, because heroic dungeons got a lot harder people kept crying about RDF because of people not being properly geared or not having a balanced group at all. For example people queued tank with DPS gear and just switched to tank talents getting oneshot on the first pack.
Overall RDF would create more problems if the goal is to make content more challenging. And also it will create problems in Cata when they decide to keep the heroic dungeons pre nerf.
Keep in mind RDF was only here at the end of WOTLK (ICC PATCH) And how fast Blizzard is doing their phases right now about 3/4 months each phase you would have Cata around the corner.
You had problems finding normal runs because very little to no one wants to do them. On existing realms majority will not be fresh players.
And automatic group making would not help when no one would want to run said instances.
yea thats exactly the “social interactions” blizzard trying to save by not adding RDF… they are either super morons or boost sellers… cant find any other logical explanation
I wont forget my first run on M+ as a tank…(not my first run ever, but as a tank…)… I did a wrong pull that we should skip instead and they started insulting me!! its not even that I did not succeed on tanking or that we wouldnt do the dungeon… I just didnt read the “meta” routes of what we kill and what we skip…
My second big sin was to not go for red slime in Plaguefall… thats where I quited played game after got insulted second time lolol. Retail is like trying to survive in the underworld… one wrong turn and you are dead. Havent found more toxic community in any other MMO I have played over 20 years
dear god, people are entitled.
Solution: You can still form your group manually then enter RDF?
So cause we are playing wotlk it will also work so well?
Do you think they planing to make hcs as hard as tbc ones that’s just delusional approach. Maybe you can’t get 9 mobs at the start of the UK but there won’t be any CC needed what so ever when you pull 3 to 5 mobs. If you pull 10+ yeah you might need cc some but other then that even servers had harder content heroics are still easy and trival.
Also if you join and there is a jackass that came to dungeon with dps gear you can kick him in 2 minutes than que for new tank and also because you are already formed group algorithm puts you on prio and also like I said RDF do not stop you forming your own group right? So also solution for that issue.
Harder and meaningful heroics was only in TBC and Cata. Other then that there were never a challenging heroic 5 man ever. Yeah Anub could one shot you if you hit by Pound when you first step on the dungeon but not afterwards. I remember on retail able to do timed CoS like 2nd day of me being 80. So nope and raid buffsl is already proven that people with blue gear can defeat OS3D so it will be easy.
Yeah also we did not have dual spec on launch, we did not have cold feather flying book on launch, we did not have quests rewarding badges at all, we did not have the patch of 3.3.5 at all but we are getting all of these on launch and if you are coming with an argument that “ow it came with ICC you know???” don’t foresee other mkayyyy?
Taking out most of a sentence do tend to change it when you quote it…
I said the first time around for a reason, the amount of abuse random fairly bad DPS heaps on tanks is amazing these days and trust me the wait times will increase to even more ridiculous levels when people can abuse tanks with out ever having to face consequences (atleast they dont think they will) the pool of tanks who are willing to put up with being called bad becouse a dps pulled a second or third pack and wipes the group becouse the healer wasnt ready for the extra incoming dmg they take will be rather low.
Don’t forget to mention that if a tank leaves and gets the debuff, he only needs to wait 30 minutes and gets an instant invite after queueing again. No real drawback for them to just quit.
Okay let’s assume this will be the issue and what makes you stop making your own group to join RDF? Tell me one reason how this can’t be solved? Or tell me what I am saying about kickingna guy after 2 min and finding a tank at most 5 min period?
You are talking people queuing as a tank with dps gear and removing him from the group and he/she having 30 min deserter debuff lowers the tank count??? Your argument is about people queing dungeons w/o proper tanking gear and now you are actually sad that guy having deserter debuff? What the heck I am reading?
Also when you kicked on dungeon it won’t give you any 30 min deserter buff so that most of the time people asks them to be kicked if they don’t wanna do the dungeon etc. Yeah this might be a problem and still after 2 mins you can kick and get prio getting the missing roles for your party.