I'm not into lore but

I think the problem is that while others have suffered losses, they’ve made some ground back. Night Elves haven’t, really. And with how their population has been reduced to what, 10%, now? Yes, there’s also the Draenei, but those weren’t genocided in such an in-your-face way, so that’s treated more like “interesting trivia”. And they managed to actually get some love, a comeback of sorts, some more relevance. They bounced back.

The Nelves just keep being pushed deeper into the pit.

Thing is - the only way I’d accept a “redemption” of sorts for Tyrande at this point, is by bringing in Maiev in order to basically reverse the situation at the end of Sentinels campaign of The Frozen Throne.

Otherwise I’m quite okay with her going off the deep end and into a darkness of her own. Sure, I may always be saying how Night Elves always get the short end of the stick - but that doesn’t mean that they can’t have Tyrande go beyond redemption or that she needs to be redeemed.

Unless, of course, Maiev knocks some sense into her. That one would be cool. But it won’t happen.

“She has become vengeance itself, bound forever to the hunt.I only pray that in her zeal, she doesn’t cause even more havoc than Illidan.”
~Malfurion Stormgare to Tyrande, about Maiev - switch Illidan for Sylvanas, and you’ve got a reversed situation.

Night elves? The only mention being “too few” might suggest around half. But I do not think there was something more concrete specified.

Maybe elves should “unite” with draenei. Old + new could be interesting mix. Although technically draenei would be old in such group, but the concept of “nature + tech / magic” might not be affected by that.

There is still Kael in Shadowlands who could work with this idea. Maybe. If the devs would want to.


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if Sylvanas dies? I’m Quitting.

If Sylvanas is to die that would mean finding a way to break the lich kings hold over her that keeps her undead (Kyrians return the souls of the undead to Azeroth, because they won’t interfere). Possible, but dodgy, because it undermines the existence of the undead, suggesting a cure. I don’t see it happening.

What I want see is Sylvanas Windrunner realizing that it was the Jailer who caused her misery all along and then actually keeps her word and sets the cosmos free of the Jailer. Saving everyone in the end, even though she killed a lot of innocent people herself, would allow her to go out in a Darth Vader like redemption arc. And as a final parting gift each forsaken should be given the choice to get resurrected as a human or to be reincarnated as something else, to end that misery for good as well.

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Yeah, no. Even if she “saves the cosmos”, she still need to be called to account for the crimes she committed, and answer for them. “The Greater Good” is not a justification.

Hey, that would even make her fate “complex”.

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No character was ever brought to answer for their crimes. Nor she will be exception. Also that would serve as such a stale dish even for revenge.

I know. Everyone will just forget everything and we’ll all live happily ever after until the Fifth War.

And end the DK class? I doubt we’ll see a race and class disbanded, and doubt that many of the forsaken players would be happy.

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Probably not, but the universe of wow knows so little redemption and salvation, and this would be both. Garrosh could play a part in that too and make it so that the fallen “heroes” of Azeroth would be the ones who deliver this salvation. I just like the idea.

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for years Illidan was thought to be a villain and got jailed for 10 thousand years then the moment he was freed out of prison? he sold his soul to defeat tichondrius in WarCraft3 then what?
In the End…Illidan was the one who saved azeroth & all of us from the legion of demons.

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He did help, I guess. But that’s the Legion problem, it was an Illidan fanfic just lile SL is a Sylvanas fanfic. So far, the Illidan one was still better tho.

Guys then Velen subscribes to the same fanfiction, because that’s what he meant when he told Illidan:" Our survivial was never in fate’s hands."

I mean, Velen’s only purpose as a character towards the end was to “prove Illidan was right”. He was not written as an independent character, he was there so that Illidan could get his glory moment.

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Well, I guess then it’s a matter of “perspective”, because my impression is that Illidan would have had his moment of glory no matter if Velen had been there or not.
In this moment Velen was the “pov” character. Velen was there to witness this moment in our stead and bid Illidan farewell for us, that’s true.

No, I don’t see how he could have pulled it off on his own, without Velen acting as his foil.

if fanfic is the deal? then i guess Sylvanas will Reign Supreme.

in-case someone missed watching this video :>

due to Vereesa’s Apology. Otherwise she doesnt care about her sisters life. We see this when Alleria was in Lordaeron and Sylvanas planned to gas the place without telling her sister.

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