Either that or it happens in some book instead of the game wich the majority of the players won’t read or even know they exist
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Yes, that’s the issue… night elves are a perfect example… they are so much better in the books, and have so much more involvement
You see a lot more arcane involvement, Highborne, magic, their civilization, druidic magic doing stuff, them being kinda really cool, a lot explained.
In the game.? They hug trees, Moon Priestesses are invisible, Tyrande does absolutely zero (till 8.1), the great Highborne have nothing to show in game for how great they are (plenty in the books), the great night elves ? unless you read every text you would never realise these are people who’ve lived in an advanced civilization and are living humbly because of the events and a choice to be this way to protect the world.
I mean… none of it comes across visually or story wise… the best night elf magic users are Farondis (neutral), Moonguard (neutral Legion, and Nightborne (horde) — for what is shown in game
In lore, the Shen’dralar are the most revered arcanists of the kaldorei empire, the creme de la creme - in game, use see htm do nothing.
Where is the expertise of sentinels who you know lore wise have been honing, fighting their skills for over 10,000 years , and as a race having come toe to toe with the legion… you see none of that steel, expertise, skill or fire in the playable faction
and guess what… the Darnassiasn are the best of the Night elves.
- These were the ones who’ve been fighting for 10,000 years
- Had the courage to give up magic they loved to defend the world preventing the legion from returning
- Successfully carried out their vigil, ending it by an explosion of their power that costs them their immortality and inflicts second defeat ever on the legion (they are the same group, that did the first, though then they used arcane magic).
- Once the legion returned, their priests were calling down arcane stars and moon, their druids too have access
- The Shen’dralar, the best magicians of the kaldorei empire, who had survived continuing their magic, and advancing in it, also join up with them
Seriously, why isn’t this group super badass? Because it’s alliance.
Yes the Farondis and Moonguard are incredible, but no, they can’t join the faction.
So basically the best parts of the night elves
- Their civilization - isn’t with the playable group
- Their best and most skilled combatants - demon hunters, mages, druids (like the dreamwarden druids) aren’t with the playable faction.
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I commend you for this post. You’re looking for solutions, rather then just saying “i have no ideas on how to fix this issue, so therefore we have to kill this games foundation permanently”.
Cross faction is the worst idea anyone ever came up with on these forums. Even worse then the no flying peddlers. And it’s more proof that Blizzard should never ever implement any changes in the game by listening to a vocal minority who spend all their time here regurgitating their ideas for how to best kill off this game permanently, with their small clique of yes men on these forums.
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as a Horde i can get 300+ kill sprees in BGs thats how bad Alliance are 
Alliance luusing a 5 vs 1 in wpvp even …
Definitely viable, they have worked together before, both in the Shattered Sun Offensive, on AU Draenor and in Legion.
I imagine there is still some bad blood there. A long lived race is not likely to forgive and forget Garithos, especially as it was human soldier’s as well, and the fact he wanted to make a public spectacle of executing their national ruler. Plus…Jaina… Hard to forgive War Crimes.
They’re like cousins who bicker. There were no Sin’dorei involved in the War of Thorns (Apart from Lorash Sunbeam, but he was a mercenary, not a representative of Quel’thalas) There would be some distrust because of the Kaldorei attack on Quel’thalas when it was neutral, that ultimately drove them into the Horde, but cooperation would not be impossible.
I think the Humans might underestimate how angry the Blood Elves are with them. You can see that in game. Lor’themar entered into talks with the fairly warlike Varian Wrynn, then Jaina did a Jaina, and now, when the peaceable Anduin is on the throne, Lor’themar tells Alleria to go and do one, when she repeats the offer of talks. If he was willing to talk Alliance with the warlike father, but not the peaceable son, that indicates that Jaina’s actions clearly have utterly thrown that possibility under the bus, as that is the only major incident between humans and blood elves since.
Orcs and Humans I don’t think will ever see eye to eye, individuals, yes, as two species, I can’t see it.
I can see all of those being viable -if- the Nightborne can forgive the insult done, apart from Void Elves. No one should like Void Elves. Void Elves shouldn’t even be in the Alliance alongside Lightforged Draenei, It is just ridiculous. Thy shouldn’t be Horde either. They just shouldn’t exist, or should be NPC’s. They are infused with a power of entropy and destruction that is inimical to -all- life.
And yet…and yet, Vol’jin and Tyrathan Khort became close friends (Fun fact, as the Horde character, you can actually meet Tyrathan Khort at Vol’jin’s wake. He is watching from a distance, and is non-hostile to the Horde character and will talk to them.
The main thing that made me laugh about that, in a ‘that’s funny’ rather than sarcastic laughing, is that Trolls can’t give the Orcs the middle finger…Because they don’t have one! They only have two fingers! 
People need to stop with this. There is no ‘High Elf stuff’ All that branch of Elves are Thalassian. The sole, sole difference between Blood Elves and High Elves is that one small amount of them went Mana-vegan. That’s it.
Nope. The Nightborne physically and socially changed, this is remarked upon in game.
Because they would have to remove them as a playable race? Which they won’t do.
Back in Vanilla Horde we were like 20% of each server. I think Blood Elfs came and boost Horde to be attractive to people. Maybe Alliance needs something like this. A lot of people asking for High Elfs. Give it to Alliance make people go play they faction they like again.
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Eh? We already have the look of high elves? Void elves with white skin and blue eyes and blonde hair. U think mythic raiders care if the race is called void elf or high elf? It looks the same (like a blood elf).
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in fact, but we also cannot forget the non-ability of the provider to react in seeing this transhumance of the WF guilds at the beginning, then we know how the sheep work …
It is this way because to fix it will mean making tough decisions they don’t want to. They want to have their cake and eat it yet, favourite faction will have to not shine as much in order to turn things around… so they go for easy fixes that will cause more problems long term.
I did a long post a little above on what it would take to make something like cross faction viable with minimal damage - it would take a lot of lore building, introducing a system that makes it fit within the frame work without destroying the two sides and the enmity it’s based on, while introducing corporation in feasible manner as an option for those who want to fight for harmony.
This is quite realistic, but in this setting, with what wow is based upon, you certainly just can’ “toggle on cross faction” it will destroy what’s left of the game, and it will surely never recover it’s dominance, and they’d have only their bad management or rather giving up to blame.
This is easy, there are blood elves who would NEVER have blamed humanity for the actions of 1 or 2 men - Garithos is not indicative of every human, they’d know, and Arthas destroyed humans more than elves.
yes they are that intelligent. They would have hated or disagreed with the decision to go horde, but stuck with their people for unity sake, not hating humans at all, no understanding why it had to be horde, but staying.
These would be willing to work with humans, as blood elves.
Yes, but the point is that humans are willing to work with blood elves, and void elves shows that this isn’t some small group of blood elves that feel this way. The horde and orcs is so alien to their way of life and they’ve fought them and trolls a lot longer than humans who’ve they’ve been allied with for much longer.
It wouldn’t surprise you that a lot of humans are willing, not to mention they would still have high elves with them, feel remorse at Garithos and Arthas’ action, with some feeling they owe the blood elves. Going the compassionate route.
ti’s plausible.
Jaina and Thrall can work together, and it’s not the first time either, you can see a group of orcs that follow Thrall quite willing, your pc can be a part of that group. but for races where it’s just not viable, you can just cite individuals and make sure the payer knows that in some cases some individuals choose not to be a part of the faction.
The Frostwolf clan have been a clan open to working with the inhabitants of Azeroth from the start, though they have met opposition from dwarves and alliance races, they have always been a wiser bunch, willing to look past hatreds.
You have precedence, and it’s easy to see a development.
Remember it isn’t all orcs, it isn’t even most, you just need a small group to represent those who want to corporate and create a system that allows them to be a part of that sub faction.
on some races, that sub faction would be tiny, in others it may actually be the majority that feel that way, it would be different in every race based on the lore to date.
The nightborne insult? That’s like the most trivial thing, to overcome, it’s not even a thing, they love their kaldorei routes, and they owe the Darnassians twice over, not to mention they are kin and need some humble pie from those who clearly behaved the way they ought to have responded.
Thalyssra is intelligent enough to know the High Priestesses reaction was fully justified and that she owed them no softness, as well aware her comment is childish, like a chastened younger sister or child acting out against her mother’s chastisement rather than thinking the Priestess has any ill intention or hatred towards her.
The arc pretty much showed Tyrande quite proud of the Nightborne for doing this time round what they didn’t do the last time. And Elune would not turn aside night elven followers, who want to come to her.
Furthermore, it’s not just Tyrande, the Nightborne have been helped and viewed affectionately by other Night elven druids and priests. Both Farodin who provides the biggest salvation for the Nightborne, and the refugee priests and druids that come to Shal’aran and helped Thalyssra and the Nightborne, , including the Moonguard remnant… you would never say the Nightborne wouldn’t work with these after a level of help …
It’s insane to think that. Furthermore, even if Thalyssra felt offended, you can bet your bottom dollar. there would be nightborne quite willing to accept any and all kaldorei, viewing them as family, because they’ve always been one people - the Nightborne have lived in the 1 united empire for nearly 15,000 years, only the kaldorei outside basically are aware of all the splits in the elves, so you can easily see some a good portion would look up to the kaldorei.
They’d view their race as superior, that even without arcane magic they beat the legion, and feel their duty to help their kin return tot heir heights or trust magic once more like before, and need them to help maintain balance.
There are so many reasons. Nightborne and Night elf is one of the easiest to follow. Wouldn’t surprise me if Suramar was totally open to kaldorei and many come and go, even live there, only the horde hating ones would avoid viewing them as traitors.
But the point of this is to show that there are those would work together.
It is what it is, however, void elves can have a connection with night elves, when the tudy of the void is based on defending the world, and serious problems like the Nightmare exist, and the night elves wielding void magic through Elune as well, there is an easy connection. Add to that the Highborne links to the night elves and plausible causes for reconciliation, the character of the void elves… well there you go.
Velen’s behaviour in legion 7.3 shows that he has grown, not mistrustful of the light, but also open to seeing the void for more than just the void lords’ evil, and the void elves are proof, the night elves would also back that suspicion after the Night warrior arc concludes in Tyrande retaining and controlling that power. Not to mention the Order of Elune have been known to have handled void and shadow, and this is part of the “night” part of the night elves’ magic… so
Lightforged will have issues, this is fine, as should humans, but this can provide some alliance conflict anyway… Turalyon and Velen can agree to get on with void elves and night elves, but you can imagine humans not being able to understand the difference, and just view purple as bad… regardless.
We don’t have to like it, but it’s here, and the consequence and weight of entropy has changed. Just like the light can also be militant and force itself on others…these are changes tot eh cosmic powers, and there is more to them than being good or evil now… they are more forces than they are representations of moral alignment… it’s a shift they made in Legion, I didn’t like it.
But we can all understand those who use dark powers but aren’t evil and use them to protect others right? The Witchers do it, the Demon hunters are based on that - with void elves they explore the void… except they didn’t do nearly enough … so we are waiting for more.
However Alleria’s journey and the explanation of how a void elf can operate with the void is in an audio book, and you follow her journey through Mac’aree, so they have provided some basis for understand how a void elf can do what they do.
they also then show you the character of the void elves, and they are very noble, perhaps it takes that level of goodness and nobility to be able to do what they do .
Other explanations also include their scientific/pragmatic approach to the void, they aren’t so easily swept by it because unlike cultists they haven’t come to it as a power to worship or become powerful to rule their enemies like those who love power because of vanity, pride or shortcuts, so beseech evil entities to give them quick advantages to pull down people they are too weak or lazy to overcome or put in the hard work and decent behaviour/character that would lead to their elevation, instead seek shortcuts and evil on
innocent people they consider their enemies, just to get ahead. Naturally it’s easy to confuse void elves with these immoral cowardly degenerates, because for most people in Azeroth, it’s only those types that seek powers like the void and fel. But our story shows and follows the exceptions when it comes to Illidari for fel, and void elves for the void.
Look, I’m not saying it’s perfect, I’m not even saying I like it, but it’s here, it offers an avenue, we must run with it and try and draw positives from it, because it’s not going to be cancelled.
Haha yes, well I like how they developed Vol’jin. I read the novel, and it’s proof of that individual trolls can come to even respect those they look down on and despise if they prove themselves, and they do have a sense of honour, which is why it is possible for you to have some okay with working with the other side.
Another example is the darkspear who works with the blood elf hero. At that point in time, Blood elves are still considered Alliance and worse, hate trolls, but corporation happens.
Seriously, we know helping the other side can be a legit thing when they took one of the most alliance races, as core alliance as you can get over to the horde. Once this happen, that pre-TBC faction distinction broke.
They didn’t even try to mitigate it by taking the blood elves down a very non-alliance evolution, nope, they kept them and in fact turned them as much as possible back into the alliance type high elves they were… and if that can exists on the horde , and the horde races can get along with blood elves, they can get along with any alliance race or sub-faction who would prove themselves allies by fighting with them.
Thrall and Jaina… don’t even have to join them, for that…
The point is the lore has to provide and show this properly, not just open up cross faction.
You are making the point I made. Just using different words. The blood elves are the high elves, the high elves are the blood elves.
But the semantics one is racial, and one is faction, and sadly people from all levels of education and intelligence do not always understand or realise words can have different meaning based on context. Sometimes it’s a disability like autism, would find it hard to grasp this, which is explained in the example below
Know how long I have had to argue to make some horde fans see that “The Night Elves” isn’t the all night elves. The faction “The Night Elves” are actually the Darnassians, and you can’t attribute the entire race to your experience of them, because the race has many more groups and factions of night elves. But this has always been the case.
Blood Elves are racially high elves, but are not The High Elves. What remains The High Elves are scattered, largely in alliance cities though some have come under the banner of the Void Elves. And again here, they are part of the The Void Elves, but they aren’t void elves. Because the Ren’dorei are both a race and a faction, and you can have some that are part of the faction but are not racially void elves. Like the Silvermoon Scholars and High elf Wayfarers in Telogrus rift.
Another Example? The Illidari - this is principally the name of the night elves who followed Illidan, they are racially Illidari, yet Kael’thas’ blood elves were called Illidari, as were Akama’s Broken and the Vash’jir naga when they followed Illidan though they weren’t racially Illidari. Blood elves who trained as demon hunters (melee or caster - though the game doesn’t offer the caster gameplay for the demon hunter - it is there in the lore) are also racially Illidari, but blood elven based… yet this is another instance of faction Illidari and race Illidari, and some people still don’t get that.
I said stuff, Nightborne are a night elven sub race. They are as much changed from night elves, as Darkspears are from Zandalari, or Highmountain from normal Tauren or Lightforged from Draenei, or void elves from high/blood elves
Take that how it is. They aren’t a different culture or different race - it’s so clear, they are just their own kaldorei community, with a new name - same as ren’dorei, same as the Highmountain, same as the Lightforged.
Nonsense, this doesn’t affect the player characters capability… it’s just story. I don’t see night elves being removed because Tyrande, Malfurion or Illidan are powerful… seriously that’s just b/s.
It is the story that controls the power of a race and should use that to achieve the things it needs or improve a group’s likeability.
The race are definitely not equal in the lore nor do they have to be. The point is that individuals of any race can rise to similar levels of “top of their game” however, how the rest of the race is, can vary incredibly, and that is based on their story.
You don’t have to nerf elves to human level for human warriors to be as good as night elf or blood elf warriors.
Whoever says that just lacks either imagination or common sense. For a race as distinguished as night elves, you’d imagine the player character is nothing special amongst his kin, not power wise anyway, as they’re all that level, however for a human or a gnome, they are considerably more powerful than the vast majority of their race… or significantly more technological advanced.
You don’t have to nerf draenei capability or knowledge to be the same as orcs or humans in order for them to be viable… that is just making everyone the same.
If night elves are that powerful, you use that and weave it… racially they would have counterparts on the other side able to match them… or other factors… like they aren’t militant so won’t use that power to go conquering… but powerful enough to defend themselves against anyone. Or you could say/add they are very few too, so 1 can hold off an army, and because of a combination of their low numbers , large territories and benevolent nature, as well as focused on world threat, well, this is why night elves aren’t carving out another night elf empire with their capability, but explains why they can hold their territory, and their few numbers explains why their assistance doesn’t overpower alliance forces
But even if it would do, you only need provide a story reason each time why either the very powerful night elves are either not part of the battle or only 1 or a handful could come.
You can also provide counters to them because guess what, you’ve given the horde their own powerful night elves, the Nightborne.
This might be, in your opinion… It doesn’t make it less true though, sorry to say. And you, who could as well have said that the Alliance is crybabies, only proves this point.
It IS “World of Hordecraft” because that’s where all the players are! The Alliance DO recieves nerfs to racials or buffs, and this does not happen because Dev’s thing that… woops too strong. It happens because of the uproar from Hordeplayers, whether you like it or not.
The Alliance side IS dying. It is hard to find an active raiding guild, where you go full guildgrp without pugging, there IS less groups in the finder for running keys, it DOES suck to play Alliance in BG’s and Warmode.
And the Horde playerbase IS kinda stalling all the improvements which Blizzard have tried to give us, by massively complaining about equality.
There is a balance issue within the factions, not even you can deny that.
So, when everything they have tried to do to make Alliance appealing gets shot down by the Horde community… then what do you suggest they do to help the dying faction?
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Brigante, I expected a bit more maturity from you, just because fans are arrogant and rude, doesn’t mean you should be put off the truth or something you know is right or good.
Don’t let anyone’s attitude change your mind about something you know is good or correct. Afterall, are you doing this out of sympathy or to please them? or because you love the game, and you want to see it improve.
If I let the bad attitude and behaviour of some horde fans put me off, I’d have been a hater a long time ago, but, I actually like the game and like the races, so whether they are cocky or annoying, lying or being manipulative … all very annoying qualities, I would hate their actions for it, but not hate the horde for it or the blood elves for it, I wouldn’t even hate the individual for it, just his character or his behaviour - usually I’d just pity it as childish or ignorant or foolish and separate the two
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Say no more fam, I got your back.
plays Alliance by default
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lean to play horde 
i played human alliance back in 2004-2007 becurse humans had increased stealth ditection got alweys the opner in a rogue vs rogue fight
That’s what i did and my freshly horde alt is almost at the same item level as my alliance main. But i can’t take the vulperas seruselly. and i’ll always be alliance at heart
noting more dealdy then level 19 Vulpera with full titanforged prelegon gear
They can also have evil factions…we’ve seen cross faction corproation for things like the Twilight cultists, the necrolords who are often both human and orc – imagine that not every cross faction corporation group is good, but some are seriously intending to be evil and you can support/join them, and that affects the way you play. So many options to do.
I took a bit of time to think aboot an answer.
I don’t like the classic community but that’s another debate. I do casually play there but that’s it, I don’t dive more.
The main grief is that Blizzard having data should have seen this comin’, yet, they did nothing. Like climate change, doing nothing is worse than trying to do something and they should have taken drastic measure. Now that is too late, what can they do ? Doing what they should have done years ago ? Nah.
It’s canon in the game so the poor writting has been made official into the lore.
They should have killed off Tirande at this given point.
Sounds too old for me
Well if they didn’t want the Alliance players to complain aboot that, then they should not have nerfed dwarf racial into CN. Would that be unfair ? Surely. But if we want to keep that faction barrier then the alliance needs a lot of help.
The issue is that trickle down effects is working (not like economics) in wow community. I have friends in Heroic guilds that moved Horde just because they couldn’t recruit on the alliance side for Heroic raiding. The issue is that it not only affects mythic raiders, everyone on Alliance side is. Since most of mythics raiders are gone, we can currently witness Heroic guilds moving along. So that will affect normal raiding guilds, which are already imbalanced because horde has 2 third of those. So what would be left of the Alliance if players from multiple levels of difficulty are moving Horde ?
I’m not saying I don’t care aboot the story, I’m saying I don’t care aboot the fact that the lore showed more of Horde being better, because frankly, that does not affect gameplay. Sure, I wished there was an even number of military victories, but that’s the least of the issues as regarding the ongoing growing faction imbalance.
Then how would you convince players to go back there without removing the faction barrier ? Because I don’t see how we can maintain both at the same time, they’re quite mutually exclusive. You cannot leave the faction barrier without helping the struggling Alliance playerbase.
Because it’s being realistic and pragmatic. I said I made a mistake by going back, those were my bucks, so it’s defo on me for being naive. But I’d feel bad for lying aboot that.
Sadly, we’re past the point of racials. Nobody cares aboot the Alliance having a small edge, otherwise they’d be moving back. No, at this point, we’re moving just because it makes sense to play where most of players are. It’s as simple as that.
It should be like when Horde racials had an edge, so 5%.
They should have nerfed them around WOD rather than BFA. And even then, we still currently have trolls’ berzerk which adds more bursting potential and orcs still having 20% stun resistance, which made that race the most popular in arena. As regarding belves, they were still op in Legion because a mass silence was so good to pass upon in M+.
And that’s why I think the only way of going out of that dead end is by removing the faction barrier. Unless they magically reverse the exodus.
My point still stands : if Blizzard annouces in 9.2 that Alliance races will get a 10% extra DPS, then players would be upset because that’d be way more tremendous that a pathetic 10% extra AP.
Shttt, they might be listening !
Yeah, that sounds like a brilliant idea. Removing the faction barrier is the only way to preserve the bit of Alliance players left.
No, since HC guilds are moving too. So you might aswell say : raiders, M+ and pvp players are the problem. But we’re entitled to play the faction we want, rather than the “most popular faction that makes sure you can play”.
Nothing you said in this post makes any sense. You argue as if there are 10 players left on the alliance, when it’s a fact that there are hundreds of alliance guilds that are 10/10 mythic, and hundreds more that are 9/10 mythic. There are tons of alliance players above 3k rio. There is nothing stopping anyone from doing every single bit of high end content on alliance. There are tons and tons of alliance players who have completed much more high end content then the majority of people playing horde ever has or will. And that doesn’t effect anyone, just the same as nobody is affected by Limit and Echo being horde.
The average player can do anything they want on either faction, the delusion that you have to be horde is some sort of mental illness that has become established fake news on these forums for people who compete in who can come up with the worst ideas for this games longevity and survival.
yes yes yes yes . it the nail on the head with this
The alliance is way down compared to the horde when it comes to the elder game and the engaged population. Mains (your main characters) and people into Warcraft - ofc it hurts a lot of realms , competitions, you only need to play on both sides to see a massive difference and the frustration this causes on the alliance. Worse on pvp, why do you think most realms have such huge alliance bonuses
There are several reasons for this ofc, however as solutions go, cross faction PVE toggled on will be one of the worse things to do. A band aid easy fix that will destroy the game in the long run and basically ruin what Warcraft has been about… as I described in detail earlier, such moves require a really solid development and build up, depth in the narrative combined with systems that would allow it to be engaging when implemented without destroying the theme.
It can be done, but certainly not by a toggle, and it’s really not the only way to solve the issue.
The problem currently is that the alliance is not popular, and not desirable, and the main reasons for that is that the horde is the main focus of development and has been given everything in both factions and the best versions of what both factions have. For a new player who gets into the game from TBC to present there is little outside flavour (like race models, or style of races) to attract you to the alliance. They are often niche, but the horde versions of everything is better.
The horde does the alliance better than the alliance for those of us who knew what the alliance was before TBC , especially during the RTS when the two factions were completely different. Ofc the newer fan bois have no idea, you tell them that human looking races, arcane magic, cities and tech were alliance things, they’d laugh - ofc, they would if their wow journey started towards end of classic/TBc - when blood elves (basically the alliance race that did all the typical alliance things best went horde and those things were shown better on the horde) joined and made the horde better at both alliance and horde themes.
But the worse part is how dull the alliance races are and they just don’t shine. They are dull because many of the cool things about them are either suppressed, only in novels, or hidden, and when shown instead given to the horde. Night elves in lore outshine the high elves, have a greater and more beautiful civilization, their use of arcane mgic from the pre-sundering outstrips the high elves, their forest magic too is extremely powerful when at play, and they call down teh stars and moon with an actual goddess behind them - and yet, in game, their druids are lame, their mages just do portals, and we’ve only seen on priest call down the stars and moon (while the others just pretty much play damsel in distress - shown ineffective against any serious opposition)… meanwhile the blood elves have humiliated the night elves in every encounter since tBC they’ve come up against The quality of the night elves, the depth and breadth of the night elves, their greatness, their power, their magic we are told is great isn’t seen - and not jsut their arcane expertise through their highborne/moonguard, their druidic magic has never been shown off powerfully in game, their priestesses have never been shown to use magic either in-game (till the Night warrior arc) and all the other points I have made for them. Compare that to what the lore tells you… and it’s like the A grade stuff is only for writing, and the D grade stuff is what is presented.
This is repeated with the Draenei, and the dwarves, and it goes on, every time, second best, second fiddle, showing a fraction of what’s in them. So obviously players only see the horde as cool or at least the cooler or coolest and will always pick them or tend towards them as long as that remains the case. Humans have got good story though at least, but everything the alliance benefits from is thrown there. Teldrassil burns, the alliance gains Lordaeron. Alliance races have no relationships developed with each other outside humans - it’s like we can’t care or be bothered, so we’ll just write humans - and humans make no mistake, are support characters to the horde, they help facilitate the horde stories and make them happen… if you don’t believe me, look at the alliance roles in SoO, and again in BFA.
Oh they don’t ignore the alliance totally, but it’s secondary. So where will people be drawn to? What is better, what is more interesting, what is developed best, what is central and what I coolest - and of the two factions, it’s horde every single time.
I mean, how can you keep giving the horde the nicer alliance stuff and expect people to want to pick the alliance?
Also storylines. The alliance doesn’t have to be as disorganised or infighting as the horde has been to be interesting, that’s the horde story. There are some who think that the alliance needs some conflict and that’s the solution. But they aren’t looking deep enough. They are looking at the horde and thinking you just need to do the horde story there.
The reason the horde is popular is because it is focused on. Because it is focused on, it is the centre of whatever story Warcraft has to deal with, and the tail is spun according to its tune. If you made the alliance more the centre, and showed off it’s race more and their cool sides mo were made better, attractive enough to draw horde players over.
You would solve the problem without needing to to do cross faction anything. Not thata good cross faction execution might not work, it’s just that, it’s not the problem we have.
The alliance suffers from 15 years of being the underling, under written, suppressed, and support cast - and it’s reputation as lame is as the consequence.
You don’t develop it seriously or only to improve the horde, people are going to notice. Many who stay the alliance are often veteran players who remember the old alliance and remain out of loyalty, seeing a greater depth the past volumes they played built, but certainly not apparent to those who picked up the game in WoW when the story started advancing again in TBC. And ofc new players who find all the models except humans weird, pick alliance and human at first. They usually switch to horde once they get into the game, seeing as everything pulls them horde.
So you tend to have net flow traffic horde. And off course, the more people that go horde, the more others who want more social gaming like raids, dungeons etc that need a higher population actually go there.
Make the alliance attractive and appealing again, and the alliance and those who want to play it at the highest level will increase - because it’s the grassroots, fantasy built that gets people into the game, those in trun become the ones carrying the m+ and mythic guilds and don’t quit because they truly love the game, they weather the storms that provides the foundation for the more casual crowds that come and go to be sustained.
When the alliance has no such depth or attraction, because it is second rate, doesn’t shine, and just looks worse, it inspires no one, it attracts no one, and the other faction takes it all with little to nothing changing. The alliance remains the casual and alt faction - and blizzard I feel will ruin the game because they are on the verge of just accepting that the it is world of hordecraft and this is how the playerbase plays the game.
Choosing instead only to develop for them to play the game, and not worry about where or how many lie on each faction or are engaged. So the horde will continue like this forever during wow’s lifetime, they will pile more cool features, more alliance themed
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