It’s not the inspecting part, it’s the ridiculously high standards for a mid or even low level run. Some RLs want a full set of gear from the best raid to run an entry level raid, even when the RL themselves only have 50% BoE blues.
I always inspect the inspector and if they have rubbish gear I join the group, tell everyone then leave the group. I have even had RLs banned for what they say to me afterwards.
This … absolutely this so hard xD …
Like dude you are spamming here for full T18 geared group for kara and you cant even copy correct talent build from some crappy youtuber xD …
First thing I do on invite, is fly to leader, inspect him and quite often outright leave on spot …
On the other hand, I know people asking for ridiculous requirements for low tier content is absolutely insane, especially when they have bad gear on their own char …
BUT theres so much catch up garbage gear you can get without even doing anything … one thing is being blue geared in P1, completely different thing is being blue geared in P5 …
Doing 2-4 pvp daily quests, each giving you 1k honor, daily heroic for badges, or even arenas, especially now when 5s give you AP cap even without winning everything … you can have full epic gear thats T5-T6 level after a week or two
for kara need for my groups atleast pre bis raid gear green or bleu gem enchants and meby cheap pots flask cheap food but cant even decentste ench your gear enchant and gem dont place my raid sorry you dont waste time you toon i wont invest time yours
Elitist attitude making even trivial co-operation things feel like work interview. Just enjoy the damn game without min maxing for Hogger kill
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Decentste is probably decently 
Interpunctuation is a great thing 
In part yes. Up to Sunwell the content is already easy enough if you have decent gear. Kara badge runs are indeed meant to speedrun so you need decent geared people. Gruul will never be done for badges, only gear. This late in an expansion it’s not unreasonable to ask for decent gear. Why would I accept people in green gear when there 20 people with epic badge gear and kara gear?
And yeah I agree if you don’t even gem your items you don’t care enough about your char so you why would I invite you? Just put in cheaper blue quality gems I don’t care, but no gems? No invite.
You mention the solution. Join a guild if you need gear and can’t afford a GDKP or can’t join SR runs.
How about no? LFR is one of the worst implementations in the history of wow, and you want to add this to TBC and Wrath Classic? Nah dude, go play retail.
I dare you to try it. Go ahead and make a Black Temple, MH or even a Gruul group without even looking at people’s gear or asking about their experience. Just go ahead and invite willy nilly. Let’s see how far you will get.
He is essentialy saying that if you dont care about your character why should he?
The overall problem isn’t as much expectation as it is situation.
When the leader is in greens asking for t6 players that’s just a douche move.
But when 70% of your group are going to kara for badges, say a t6 lock/mage/fury etc, how can a green/blue pala even HOPE to manage threat, so it becomes more burdensome to take an undergeared tank when everyone else is in a place where they are so far ahead that a single seed pop will rip mobs unless you count to 45 before attacking. Its a reality of how threat is determined by gear. And then even t6 healers cannot help the situation, where you can have at least 1 VERY well geared tank, and be able to handle slightly undergeared healers and then the dps just set the pace of the raid, so depends how willing that geared tank is to slow a run down.
This conversation is convoluted and there are many moving parts, if i join a “badge run” i expect it to be only that, if i join a random run my expectations on speed/output/performance will shift to that of a more chilled run.
As someone said, if the leader is demanding only t6 tanks/healers/dps and hit lvl70 3 minutes ago, that is just being crappy and i wont join those runs out of principle, not because i don’t mind helping people, but im not going somewhere for 1 greedy person who wants no competition on loot and put in no effort and expecting only the best, and a full carry.
No offense whatsoever with what I’m about to say, Vanilla 
but I have to ask:
How do you know?
I’ve seen you post more than once that you have yet to ding max level in TBC and that you didn’t raid in Classic either. You described yourself as an altoholic that switches around a lot.
So forgive me for asking: how could you know the struggle of being proud of your char, having somewhat decent gear with gems and enchants etc, joining a pug and realizing there are people there that just wanna screw around. No gems, no enchants, not even the right rotation.
Yeah the game is meant to be fun but in an mmo in raids you’re working together. If one or more people don’t care it halts the progress of the entire group. It’s different in a dungeon but for raids it’s super frustrating to join a raid that takes 1.5 hours to clear but goes to 3 hours.
I was in a kara raid only yesterday that went like this. It was advertised as a badge run, so a fast run just for badges. Half of the people were blue geared and when we reached the 1.5 mark we had only done half. A tank and a healer left so we called it.
Because I have been playing A LOT in Vanilla, TBC and Wrath - there I had a main tank, and several alts doing dungeons and raids with my guild, with organized groups from many Guilds and with pugs. That I’m not up to this stress once again does not mean that I do not remember how it was.
Fair enough. But yeah inspect gear or link achievements is the least you can expect in pug raids (even GDKP’s). Sadly it can be a lot more, and retail is indeed the weird cycle that you mention. If you didn’t clear the raid week one you don’t get invited to any runs after. Unless you buy a boost.
TBC/Wrath are different ofc. Guild raiding is the best raiding experience, hands down.
Guild(s) raiding is the best, I agree. But the most memorable runs for me were the pug ones, where we stayed, tried, cried, wiped, tried again and finally suceeded after a 6 hours run - those are the ones I remeber best now, not the smooth guild runs
And then the clowny Guild ones too, where all did the wrong things, got 'ported through walls, were left out when doors closed, where the healer forgot she was supposed to heal, and got me killed in 2 secs flat … all those zillions of crazy things happenings.
damn who has time for that these days 
Yeah, but you won’t invite them because they have crappy gear, but you also don’t want them to do LFR without you either… I am not saying LFR is the ideal solution and certainly not saying we need it for wotlk, but I do notice gate keeping for the sake of gate keeping going on. With achievements and Gearscore this will only increase.
If you don’t want them, they should at least be able to do it with each other and those who do want to use such a tool. Certainly on LFD level for Wotlk.
You need to abandon the notion of “bis”. Getting all BiS items only happens if you are favourably given MORE LOOT THAN IS FAIR by your guild who use loot council.
The good news is the the top 3 items in most raid teirs are within 50dps of each other, and variance on boss mechanics will impact your DPS more than that in many encounters.
But the solution to your issue is the same as i always say: Join a guild. The social elements over-rides the other parts.
The only downside is the GDKP is killing social guilds by carrying bad players through hard content in exchange for gold. After a few weeks players realise this isn’t fulfilling and then just quit the game because, when they play the game with similarly skilled players, they find they aren’t 1-shotting everything and it’s a harsh wake-up call.
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