I can both see and understand what football players do: they pass the ball and score the goals, but not what happens with X buffs, X auras, 5 ppl abilities, mob casting and etc.
So not sure that example sends it home exactly.
Football games are like Classic streams, easy to eatch and enjoy, Retail esport is like nightclub rave, its too much for me, I am afraid.
It’s the same principle. You can make it an equally simplistic explanation of football to world of warcraft, you can see that people are using their abilities just like you do on your characters. Just like top footballers, they just happen to be better than you at it.
Nah, pretty much its a blur for me of too many events happening too fast.
Football is nothing like Great Push. Classic HC dungeon events are like football though.
Abd keep in mind I have some general undersranding of retail abilities, but new player will be completely out of pace of the game.
The pace and complexity kills Retail esport viewership. But if you have a nice promo, I can watch it, no problem 
Whats “complex” for one, can be “simple” for another.
Closest example? Chess! For people like me, who doesn’t know a darn thing about it, watching a chess tournament might be a torture worse than watching the paint dry. While people who are more familiar with it, can even get excited to see a Grandmaster at work and etc…
No such pace in chess, and most people know the rules.
Another, frankly, poor example.
Still if you know the very simple rules you can keep up, in m+ unless you push high keys you simply cant.
The event for <1% deserves every bit of criticism it gets. Esport focus is a dead end route for WoW.
The m+ mob locations doesn’t change and if you have been to that dungeon at least once. You can easily follow"they pulled that pack together? Nice. Oh they are using hero on 3rd boss? Oh they pulled that pack together with boss?"
Ofc if you are trying to follow each person’s rotation from A to Z then it might be difficult…but then again its the same as counting each players’ taken step amount in the entire football game…not easy.
And using the argument that its only for “1%” cause its the big elites playing? Well alot of people follow and are fans about F1 formula…but less than 1% of the worlds population will ever pilot an F1 formula one car…
I don’t like watching any kind of sports regardless of whether they are esports or not.
This is a pretty accurate representation of a football match to me.
However that doesn’t stop plenty of people who are no good at sports to watch and support them. Esports are no different.
If you don’t like this tournament that Blizzard are doing, then don’t watch it.
I don’t watch any of the esports they have at BlizzCon. I am only ever interested in the panels where they are introducing what is coming in the games I’m interested in playing.
Formula One has a huge following as does various motorsport, those vehicles are incredibly technical. Yet simple people can still watch the race without needing any understanding of the workings of the cars.
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Let me be just clear, if you want to have an esport viewership of mil range make moba design of classes like LoL.
Cause people know the rules, abilities and pace is acceptable.
If you want to defend piano esport with 30k top viewership with fast pace and complex interesting specs and high level dungeons than I will see it as smth deeply irrational and let you be
But you simply cannot convince me its my problem or my exprience in game issue, or give me unrelated example and expect to agree with it. It is just irrational partisanship on your part, I see it just like that.
But hurting your feelings isnt my point, explaining why eventually you will have to accept WoW esport is dead is.
I hope WoW can grow out of this esport phase and grow again.
Viewership and popularity are the deciding factor not some forums replies.
So to a simple counter:
Same as its not my goal to hurt your feelings either but whenever WoW esport is a dead end or not will not be personally decided by you.
Whats LoL last championship number of viewers?
And whats WoW last m+ Inv number of viewers?
Its already dead, Jim.
I state the obvious, not “decided it” for someone.
Not necessarily, but usually. Because they are often the ones ‘doing it first’, ‘doing it fastest’, ‘doing it best’. And their behaviour trickles down unfortunately.
And If Blizzard is still thinks, that the esport is viable enough, they will continue to push it. Regardless what you may believe or not. Even big companies don’t throw money away on projects which have obvious no profit gain or at least a chance at it.
Sure. Now go have a chat with them Doomsayers whose WoW has been dying and dead since late vanilla. Might even get some pen friends! 
If a streamer like Asmongler gets more views on average than a WoW esports stream it does make you wonder why they keep pushing it. Suppose even a pitiful amount still brings in profit?
Either way views continue to drop not rise.
You are changing the subject of the argument.
Very dishonest of you!
Not wow is dead, esport wow is dead.
You forgot to answer the questions, which were relevant for your previous statement about viewership and moved to tell me that my opinion doesnt matter, when i stated to you its not just my opinion.
How deeply dishonest, irrational and frankly low, its like watching RT.
Pure copium propoganda, will you flag me for stating the obvious now?
I honestly have no idea what the viewership for the RWF is. It’s spread across across all the players in the teams competing. I presume if you added them up it would be a significant viewership.
Blizzard doesn’t actually embrace the RWF in anyway other than to congratulate the winner.
I believe M Plus and Arena still have official tournaments. No idea about their popularity either.
I like to see them, because i do myth raiding and you can see before hand what i can expect of the encounter, if you dont engage in this you have less motivation to watch it ofc.
But all the other stuff with mdi, charity and now this event isnt worth my time, they should invest in gameplay & content and not in this PR stuff, but hey WoW® Esports 
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Its not dead otherwise Blizzard wouldnt do such promotions.
Now…its dead because “you believe so” is a different matter. Hence my previously mentioned Doomsayers, “I dont agree with somethin = WoW iz deaad!”. You follow a similiar principle" dont like something? = its dead".
Unless you got give a link where wow competition’s viewership was less than 10, then the numbers doesnt matter. It matters little if LoL has 10k…or 100k…while WoW has 1k or 5k. Still enough for Blizzard.
Like I said before. Blizz wouldnt invest money in stuff which is …actually dead.
Thats way off-topic but will bite for fun. I watch both sides. RT and western new outlets. I am aware about certain RU outlets being nothing more than propoganda dumps, yet the West aint no angels either…
It’s just showcasing the best players in their guilds IMO. A lot of people learn from watching people in the top guilds. A lot in the game is passed down from them too. Weak Auras, tactics, routes, builds etc etc. Others just see top players competing against each other. Just like any other sport.
Who mentioned RWF?
I did because you wanted to compare Asmongold’s viewership to competitive guild viewership. That’s the only way I’d know to compare it.
I have no idea who would come out on top either 