Is a complete rework even possible?

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I’ve been hearing a lot of people saying that Death Knights need a rework because of how bad they are at the moment.

I’m still a new player but I’ve grown attached to my character and its theme, so nothing will make me change it but I was wondering if a rework is possible? I’m a League of Legends player and characters getting completely reworked/overhauled happened all the time.

So I was wondering if WoW did something similar in the past, and if they would actually step up and do a rather “big” rework.

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I don’t know about a rework. But a bit of buff could be nice. Or maybe it’s not even needed. I feel fine playing dk myself. but who knows? Maybe high tier players disagree and think dk’s bad.

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No reworks mid expansion, reworks only happen before the beginning of a new expansion.

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My class has been completely reworked multiple times. It’s possible. In legion they completely changed how my favorite spec is played. The also completely changed survival hunter from ranged to melee.

But from what Ion said is that they don’t want to big reworks becasue it confuses players.

I don’t think death knights need a rework. They have nice and distict themes for each spec. I don’t know how is their pefrormance for this you don’t need big changes, some number tunig sometimes is enough.

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Nearly every class has been reworked at least once… Some many many times, just ask Balance Druids.

I think it would be possible.
I used to main a Blood DK raid tanking and loved it.
I’ve just levelled another Blood DK and tanking dungeons is a bit underwhelming.
I prefer how the old bone shield worked by weaving it into your rotation rather than a passive buff, also where is Horn of Winter?
Currently level 100.

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Wait, when did we get bad?

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I have no clue, like I said I’m new so I just believe what the majority is saying.

If you have other opinions please do shed light upon me.

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It’s a frost dk talent

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DKs are not bad. Every class is completely viable unless you want to World #1 Mythic Raid. And guess what? Even in world first Azshara, there was a DK in the group.

Just play what you think is fun. Everything get buffed and nerfed sometimes.

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Blizzard has been reworking every single class in the game, countless of times, about as many times as they have released patches for WoW. And they have released ALLOT ALLOOOOOOOoooOOOOOT of patches for this game, since it was first released. Every single patch atleast changing some aspect of some class design atleast in some way.

And many expansions and sometimes even before expansions, patches included complete absolute overhaul of the entire class. Like in extreme ways of reworking the class entirely as if it’s completely fresh and new class.

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1 way to fix DKs is to bring back talents trees and end the sepration into specs. Unholy seems to get all the cool pet spells but no real melee feel, more like necromancer and dotter. Meanwhile frost feels barebones with only being to strike with weapons… heck they/we even lost the single ghoul pet!

For me DK pleasure ended in MoP when it’s pre-patch abolished the talent trees and suddenly Army of the Dead was unholy only. But then I would have go to unholy and work with plaque dots, problem in my eyes with DK is they have too few abilities to warrant a seperation into specs. But MoP also ruined feral for me in the same way. Give me back old feral (feral + guardian) and ranged SV plz.

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Dks have been reworked before. In wotlk all specs could tank

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When players say x needs a rework they mean their spec isn’t the best performing.

Any class, in mechanical way, can be a top performer if Blizzard tweak the right knobs.

Personally I’ve not enjoyed Blood since Cata.

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survival hunter from ranged to melee.
combat rogue to “outlaw”
guardian and feral druids being split from 1 spec to 2 seperate specs
balance druid resource mechanism
dps shamans resource mechanism
paladin resource mechanism
shadow priest resource mechanism
hunters going from mana to an energy type resource
DK’s used to have specific runes (2 blood, 2 unholy, 2 frost iirc), which also had a chance to proc a death rune. now iirc they just have 6 generic runes.

blizzard is constantly changing all classes, with TOTAL reworks to everything like combat rogue and survival hunter recently in legion, and the resources that people use going from just rage/energy/mana, to probably 3 times that now.

and with the way they seem to be handling new “talents” since 100 (artifact weapon & HoA) they will need to balance and reset every class every expansion really.

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You’ve been reading the forums, haven’t you? Come on, admit it! The forums are not for new players, except maybe the Newcomers and a couple of others. The forums say scary things that have no relation to reality, and will keep you up at night wondering whether something is coming to get you.

We’re all hardened veterans here, who know to discount 90%-99.99% of everything we read on the forums. It’s a skill you have to learn before you can be let out on your own. Don’t worry. As Juukiechan said, actual reworks happen only between expansions, and mostly don’t happen at all. Relatively small buff/nerf patches come and go, but most of the time you’ll hardly notice them unless playing competitively.

Where did you even see a DK rework thread? I haven’t seen …

Turns Pale. Starts Shaking.

You haven’t been looking at the (whispers) Class forums have you?

Looks around nervously.

Oh. That’s hardcore scary stuff you find in the (whispers) Class forums. Like, the aliens are actually here living as Old Gods under your town, growing tentacles under your house scary.

And just about as believable. But scary. Even I don’t go there. :stuck_out_tongue:

Ever since I’ve been reading, the class forums have been striving to prove the impossible proposition that every class is worse than every other class, and that their class needs a rework that will make them viable. Every class. Including the ones dominating the game at the time. :slight_smile:

There are occasionally really excellent, fact- and numbers-driven posts in the class forums. Very occasionally.

But don’t go there.

If you want to know about your class as a beginner, icy-veins.com is your first resource. To dig deeper, your next stop is your class Discord, which for DKs is Acherus: https://discord.gg/acherus

But don’t go into the class forums. At least, not sober. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Damn that’s great to hear actually, reworks give a fresh feeling to the gameplay which is mandatory I believe.

I have I have! I won’t hide anything

Man you cracked me up xD unfortunately I have a tendency of people’s comments to get into my head. Like you said I need to gain that skill that allows me to just ignore what I read, its gonna be hard but I believe I can do it!

I’ll make sure to check it, thanks a ton man! Very helpful, I’m really appreciating the community to be honest

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DKs are really really good in killing other classes.

Their toolkit not only rearranges the playing field, but it also causes a scare tactic that makes people panic when the opponent is inexperienced.

All of this is absent in PvE because mobs are immune to psychological warfare, AND rearranging the field does absolutely nothing. Death Grip a single mob, and the rest follow regardless of how sneaky you’ve done it.

That and DK, specially unholy, has the strategy of “it may not die fast, but it’ll definitely die” which in PvE scoreboards looks ugly.

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I think all classes need reworking for better not worse. If we could go back to MOP classes or even pre 7.3.5 classes, I would be happy.

Right now classes are gutted where you only need to press 1 or 2 buttons to make it through the pve content, it makes one wonder why we even have other abilities that we do not need.

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Yeah, they keep happening whether we need them or not.

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DKs have been “reworked” so many times it is why I stopped playing mine. I got fed up of having to relearn how to play back in Wrath every month because they changed their minds about how they worked.

At one point blood and ice swapped from being dps to tank for example.

Not sure about since then though, my DK is in a corner somewhere gathering dust and cobwebs. Quite apt really :slight_smile: