There was an article claiming that introducing the wow token to WoW classic China reduced gold sellers efficiency/profits (dunno what was the right term but you get the idea) by 66%
Guess Classic is the holy land of gold farmers in comparison to BFA. Gold there is much more important and much less easier to get, if it was profitable back in the days it should be even better now with better bots.
i’m not going to answer every one of your posts for various reason, the most important one is that you are ignoring any possible point against multiboxing; most likely because you do it or get some kind of profit by the existence of it.
Anyway multiboxing aside (wich i think it’s terrible to the game) this thread is about BOTTING MULTIBOXERS wich have taken the farming areas since 4 days straight at this point, and yes, they do ruin the gameplay (mine and many other people’s as well) since as i said on the first post i resubbed exclusively to farm golds and level alts, i don’t mind competition on farming spots, what i do not tollerate though is to have my sub money getting wasted because the company wich sold me that subscribtion does not punish well enough (it does instead incentivize with the multiboxing issue) people wich break ToS to make money profit by ruining others experience
Again with the assumptions, perhaps you should learn that people can have different opinions about subject matters.
How do you differentiate between a player multiboxer and bot multiboxer?
I’ve seen one streamer multibox with 20 characters on some random off-area in Nazmir for 10 hours straight. You can hear the constant clicking/mashing the mouse buttons in the background. Yet people walking by in-game will perceive what he’s doing as ‘botting’.
So once again: How do you differentiate between the two? 
So what is it exactly you want to farm in those specific areas the multiboxers are? Because it would be apparent that you would do a group farm in the same area as it’s more efficient, for hours on straight. So what difference is there if it’s one guy playing with 5 characters doing the same thing you’re doing with a group of 4 other people?
It doesn’t break TOS: https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/24258
I agree with you there, If the multiboxer isn’t botting it should be fine. Although If I was hogging an area for hours and I knew someone wanted to kill 10 mobs for a quest I would let them. However it’s obvious most of the outside farmers are bots but as you said the only people who know 100% is Blizzard.
I’ve been in areas where groups of people that aren’t multiboxing are doing the same thing all day.
So it’s not just a multiboxing issue the unable to do quests thing, The main issue is botting.
The game should have a channel system like guild wars had, Where you just switch channels.
Does anyone remember mop? I couldn’t farm for sky shards in my fave places because a wow streamer called “nomanis” played a boomkin and he just tagged everything in sight constantly , he wasn’t multiboxing yet I couldn’t farm in the area he was in due to his class. What was different there? He wasn’t botting, I accepted that.
Another example of this was actually done by me, Me and 4 others that I know where farming the Hyena world drop in Vol’dun and we hogged the best spawn point, Every now and then people would come to try kill there to have a chance of the mount and we where that good at tagging that they ended up walking away everytime. Was that any less fair than a multiboxer? If anything it was easier for my group to tag everything in the area than a multiboxer as we have our own thought process and can control movement easier.
Another example. Ever done the insane title? When you go to Tanaris and kill pirates, As a melee you have no chance against a caster doing the same thing, You need to come back later. You could argue that farming spot has more meaning that surumar. It’s not just a multiboxing thing. Some classes just destroy others at tagging. This is more a game issue that allows this to happen.
Your anecdotes are pretty much what I’m trying to get across to the other people in this thread. Most of them don’t seem to care to differentiate and just want Multiboxers banned in general.
On a daily basis I experience the following primarily in Uldum/Vale but also outside:
So on a daily basis I come across countless of people doing the things I mentioned above, yet I come across multiboxers one or two times a week doing their thing that don’t hinder me in anything.
I have a friend that multiboxes 5 Gnomes and he pretty much just hangs around cities, does instanced pet farming and pet battles besides it. Yet on a weekly basis he gets messages from ignorant people saying he’s botting/cheating, a plethora of insults thrown at him and people telling they’re going to report him.
It doesn’t matter what he does, it doesn’t matter if he replies as it all leads to the same ignorant responses.
I’m currently working on reputations, one of which the Talon’s Vengeance one which requires you to get around 420 Marks of Prey by killing 420 players in a Legion World Quest area (or at honored do BG’s) to get exalted and I need to do the Insane title farm. If I’d ask him if he can help me out on these things he most likely would.
Perhaps instead of reporting them and being toxic, perhaps people should start a dialogue with them. If you REALLY need mobs in those specific areas, you can always ask if he can stop doing that for a second so you can finish up your quest.
Why would you support a practice that:
A : if you don’t bot it ruins everyone’s else gameplay except for the multiboxer itself
B : if you bot you exploit farming zone and multiboxing, still ruining everyon’s else gameplay except yours
Because they do many different actions, and i don’t think that if you can multibox you can: constantly spam starfire with druids, spin around with hunters doing barrage, skinning with monk all togheter.
And again, as i said that’s what GM are for, you report suspect activity, and they simply have to check if they are bots
ALSO they stay there for 40 hours straight, i doubt that every single farmer stays “10 hours straight in Nazmir”
i never said that i want to farm with a group but okay, i’ll answer by your terms, the difference is that if the multiboxer takes control of an area only 1 player is enjoying the content, if a group does, 4 more people are, and, since some of the content is finite this leads to a better game and more happy players
As i said multiple times i always referred to BOT MULTIBOXING, wich does break ToS, even tho i highly dislike multiboxing and i believe they should break ToS because they both ruin gameplay for others and incentivize botting
i Don’t really see the point of saying that in a topic where i complain about bot multiboxing for many days one after another, i can assure you they won’t let you farm an hour or two just because you ask nicely.
They are there just to farm gold and to sell it for real money so that they can repeat the process when the ban waves come
Ever heard of phasing and warmode on/off?
Search on Youtube for ISboxer tutorial videos and you can see what it takes to set it up and what you can do with it.
You also don’t seem to know how Druids work, Moonfire works on targets in any direction around you as long as it’s in range. With simple targeting macro in-game you can kill any mobs around you that spawn.
How do you know they’re there for 40 hours straight? Do you sit there 40 hours straight to watch him? Perhaps he is there while you’re passing by and the next day he starts farming around the same time giving you the perceived impression that he’s there for 40 hours straight?
Once again: Ever heard of phasing and warmode on/off?
But you are unable to differentiate between a player multiboxer and a BOT multiboxer, because the farms you’re talking about are popular amongst multiboxers in general because of RAW GOLD and greens/grays they vendor.
There’s no BIG TICKET item there that sells for 500k gold if it drops. They have to farm there for hours to get the amount they want because they only loot the gold from mobs and vendor the rest.
Why on earth would you solo farm in areas like that? First of all It’s not efficient going there alone, there’s NO big ticket items that drop from the mobs that you can sell on AH and with the rate of killing mobs you will be there for hours for a measly 5-15k gold.
I’ve had people to tell me to go “kill myself” when I was just doing my 4x world quests on my 3 characters, I wasn’t even effecting their gameplay. So I can confirm there is people who just hate on it for no reason at all. You don’t need to do anything to anyone and they rage at you without affecting them, I can confirm there is a vendetta against multiboxers in some way.
I always report the people who do this but we know fine well they won’t get banned.
The amount of people who whisper me and say “you’re botting” tells me most people don’t know what botting actually is.
Toxicity in this community is a bigger issue than multiboxing has ever been, but ‘coincidentally’ the hostility towards multiboxers has seen an upsurge right after Blizzard announced they would remove the Brutosaur.
imgur.com/a/ZKcMyfW
The oldest post on the forum is from December 2010
December 2010 > 21 November 2019 there has been 318 posts which contains the term ‘multiboxer’.
21 November 2019 > 22 July 2020 there has been 500+ posts which contains the term ‘multiboxer’.
So in the past 8 months people mentioned Multiboxer far more often than they in the 8 years and 11 months before that.
But their complaints have nothing to do with the Brutosasur disappearing, right?
I don’t know much about multiboxing tbh, and at the end of the day I don’t mind them that much, since there’s SO many ways in our times to make gold.
However, I can understand why people can be upset about it
First, the classes multiboxers use are all picked because they are really good at tagging a huge chunk of the area you’re in, while you (and possibly your teammates) probably play whatever class you main//reroll farm on. And so you might struggle a lot to compete in tagging mobs, and it can become frustrating after a while.
There could also be the fact that it’s one person privatizing a large farming area, as you can often see at the Blood Gate or the farmish place in Drustvar (as a skinner, I sometimes go there ; sometimes there’s a multiboxer, sometimes not), while you, if you team up, you’ll try to play together to make everyone’s day ; and in that perspective, fighting almost cluessly against a bunch of druids and not being able to tag mobs can lead to a lot of resentment against this multiboxer.
Also, I can understand that leveling people can get quite upset while trying to quest or doing WQ in Suramar (I farm a lot of Legion content, and sometimes you can litterally not do anything, it happens yes, but not that often).
But, if of course the dude is not botting, you can easily turn around the problem : go to another farming area, or just go do some Skyreach runs in WoD, you’ll probably make more gold than getting angered and not touching any mobs. You could also, as we’re in a MMO, just try to reach out to the dude, even group up with him if he wants to. If he doesn’t want, well that’s sad but it is what it is, just go try to get gold by other means.
Personnally, as I said, I don’t really care ; if they’re botting then it’s harmful, but if they’re not, they’re doing the best job they can to get gold without breaking ToS, probably making them happy, and at the end of the day that’s all what matters.
(sorry for the confused English btw, hope I made minimal sense)
Your English is fine, probably better than mine even though English is my native lanuage, lol.
You’re doing what my friend does, doubting your English when it’s perfectly fine. It’s actually great.
The fact that toxicity is a problem doesen’t have anything to do with the multiboxing/bot issue, they’re completely separate, i don’t see any point at pointing to that other than to derail the discussion.
And of course the multiboxing complaint increased after they announced the brutosaur removal, because of course, if you put a finite content (money if can make per day) and someone takes control of the farming spots many people are going to be left without a way to get such finite content.
That’s exactly what i said in my post before
It doesn’t matter if it’s a group of 5 people in that spot or a multiboxer group. In both cases you can’t farm there on your server.
Everybody knows Druids is the most efficient to farm with, so if you see a group of druids farming in an area it might not even be a multiboxer in the first place.
If you can’t find ways around the ‘problem’ you’re experiencing then you’re never going to successfully farm gold anywhere.
I’ll give you some options:
Gathering professions isn’t good at this time so don’t bother doing that.
But anyways I’ve asked you several times what you’re exactly trying to farm and you haven’t given an answer once. So we don’t even know what kind of farm you’re talking about.
I would like to give an example of the “one person shouldn’t have fun over 5 thing”
I remember doing warbringers and waiting for 40-50 mins (with a group), some prot pally would swoop down from the other faction and stand for a couple of mins and get the tag with consecrate. He was also able to solo it while many others couldn’t.
So asking for a ban for a multiboxer who’s doing something someone can do solo as well isn’t really fair when I think about it. If you have a certain issue with farming methods the same should apply to everyone not just a group of people following the rules that’s been set out.
The “solo” argument doens’t really stand as there is plenty of places in game where a boomkin can one shot a mob while farming.
Also if you go over to surumar for example sake, You’re soloing mobs because you want to farm there. A group of 5 friends working together swoops down and starts aoeing the whole zone, You can’t get the tag all of a sudden, is that unfair? You where even there first.
It’s happened to me in BFA while farming the world mounts.
Should they be banned?
Botting is an issue for sure though. As I said in a previous post, botters will multibox with or without Blizzard permission. So banning legit multiboxers has nothing to do with botting.
A group of 5 people are better at farming than a normal non botting multiboxers. 5 people who can control their characters easier and communicate routes with each other is much more efficient than multiboxing. You get less loot if you play this way of course but you aren’t doing 5x the effort either, An argument can be made either way.
I kind of get his point too, Why would you even want to farm in a multiboxing spot anyway? The spot is useless unless you’re getting the 5x loot. If anything there is more issues in non multiboxing spots aka the BFA world mount drops.
I agree fully on the botting points though minus blaming it on multiboxers. A legit multiboxer doesn’t like botting either.
Let me rephrase it for you: there are a limited amount of zones where you can farm 25k gph, now let’s say 3 of those zones exist right now and every zone has enough space to make 5 players farm there.
This makes a very simple 3x5, so 15 players can farm those zones at any time.
Now if we have 3 multiboxers, each one of them taking control of a zone we have a 3x1, wich makes 3 people able to farm the zones.
So the point is not if i can farm it or not but about how much people can access such content
your options are most likely less optimal, and in gold farming less optimal choices are straight downgrade
As you can see from the first post (i even put a screenshot) you can clearly see that i am referring to open world content
while 5 people can control better their actions multiboxing makes it easier to stay in a spot for prolonged hours, that is because you can do it with minimal effort since you’re self sustaining your group, and more often than not with macros and/or bots
The images on the OP are a perfect example of a spot wich gets constantly multiboxed with bots but that you can easily handle alone.
Really the multiboxing thing is just a part of the bigger problem Wow got since the introduction of the P2W system (yes wow literally embraced the p2w formula since you can buy endgear from AU with money)
What if every zone was filled with 15 random people farming for gold? Then you can’t get your gold either way. What would you do then, give up?
Just find a group to do your farms with, it’s quicker and more efficient than farming solo in open world. Skinning or other gathering professions aren’t that good in this point in time anyways.
Yet you’re trying to do solo farming in group farm areas… yikes…
You mean the Druskvar quillrat farm that has been nerfed by Blizzard and now REQUIRES a group to make mobs spawn quick enough to get a decent amount of gold?
Let me guess you looked on Youtube for BFA goldfarm guides with clickbait titles from 2018-2019 and thought “Hey let’s try to farm 25k gold per hour for a month and I’ll have my Brutosaur”
While not knowing most of these farms have been nerfed, most of the items mentioned in the videos are worth a lot less than they did at the time of posting etc etc.
i’ll write it one more time so you can maybe read it this time “So the point is not if i can farm it or not but about how much people can access such content”
read again the post you quoted, if 3 people are farming the area the area content is divided for only 3 persons, if 15 people can farm it the content is divided for 15 people, thus making 15 customers happy rather than only 3, ofc you multiply this by X, where X stands by the area multiboxers have taken control of
yes because in that given moment of time i decided to go in an area wich let me do some quick farming, and besides, my farming methods has never been the point of the topic, that is just you trying to not talk about how abusive, unpleasant and intrusive multiboxing is
same answer you can see above
Automated third party software is bannable no matter how you slice it.
The thing is a lot of the ‘’’’’‘bots’’’’’ in Nazjatar for example arent bots, they’re using scripts, its a grey area, because they are technically controlling every character.
There is no grey area, One action from one key press. The rule is known and is being followed correctly. There is no “grey” in it. Blizzard has confirmed many times, Calling it a grey area is suggesting they are doing something sketchy that Blizzard didn’t intend. Blizzard have said it’s allowed and follows the rule, So nothing “grey” about it.
I don’t know, sure they might have confirmed anything, i’m just saying that at what point is the act of controlling a character more software than player.
Bots are 100% software 0% player, thats a given ban, but if one players uses a script that replicates their input across 10 different acounts, but they’re only ‘‘really’’ inputting into 1 toon, then you could make the argument that its only 10% player and 90% software because only 1 character is actively being interacted with by the player, or you could say that its 100% player because the script doesnt respond without a physical input.
Sure, Blizz may have confirmed whatever, im just pointing out that across more games than just WoW, scripts are a divisive topic.