Is Keystone Master really supposed to be that easy?

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Prior to last week, I hadn’t touched dungeons at all this expansion - not even in Heroic difficulty.

I decided to get the KSM mount because it looks cool, but I did not expect to get it in a single week. I thought KSM would be as difficult as reaching Duelist in PvP, and that it would take me several weeks of learning and grinding, but it turns out it was extremely easy and fast.

I jumped immediately into +14/+16 keys with full PvP gear, trinkets and talents, without knowing any boss mechanic, without any addon, and I healboted my way to KSM in less than 7 days.
The biggest challenge was trying not to fall asleep during the run.

I don’t understand why this game mode is more popular than arena. It’s incredibly boring in comparison.

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I hear that, but then, why not lock KSM behind higher difficulty tier then?

Not really. The difference between the honor gear you get by playing the game for 30 minutes and conquest gear is pretty marginal.
It still has an impact, but a pretty negligible one compared to PvE.

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Yeh KSM is easy this season. Thats why the Mount reward is ugly.

But you’re also late to the season, so players have 1) figured out what to do, and 2) Geared up sufficiently for it not to be that challenging anymore. And Blizzard have nerfed the dungeons to the ground.

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It’s currently one of the best looking mounts in the game. It’s the embodiment of savagery and brutality.

I really don’t understand people.

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so you got carried to KSm and you complain that its easy - :slight_smile:

gotta love those weekend threads :slight_smile:

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KSM i did in the first week with my fury war barely knowing the dungeon…

KSH i have now with same warrior but tank ( did it in 2 weeks barely playing it with itm lvl 405 ). Never played tank my whole life, just started.

KSM, KSH is a joke now, if u have a bit of brain and dodge stuff and intrerrupt basic.

If you want a real KSM challenge complete all 20 on timr both affixes. If you want real KSH archieve 2.9k IO ( my main goal, rn now i am at 2850 ).

Like i said KSH, KSM all jokes. As i saw on my prot war everything under 20 is wild west. Ppl doing 55k overall dps with 415 itm lvl, not intrerrupting mystic blast in AA ( the only spell that almost one shot ) etc.

And big plus, you can get score from untimed runs so yeah… you can see guy with 20 SBG untimed and the rest 17

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There’s no point to go for KSH unless you really enjoy that content.

The KSH reward is lame. Additional lightning effects on a bunch of ugly sets, irrelevant, can live without.

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You like the Mount. Others deem it ugly. The KSH reward falls into the same category.

Also Portals.

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You don’t get the portals for KSH, though, only for the timed +20 keys.

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I disagree.
Because a mount is still a mount, it’s big and noticeable.

The KSH reward isn’t even a unique set, like elite PvP sets, it’s just adding a bunch of barely noticeable particle effects to one specific set of armor in the game.

It’s extremely niche, specific, and again - barely noticeable.

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I know. The separate achivs are also dubbed Keystone Hero.

Doesnt matter whether you disagree or not. You like the mount. Others dont. For you its worth it, for others not. The same just vise versa applies to the lighting effect transmog.

The elite pvp sets arent unique either. They are a recolor and share it with the Raid one. And some dont like the colour of the elite or mythic set but prefer the colours of the lower variant of which they can now apply the elite/mythic effect to. You dont like it or deem it worth it but others do as explained above.

The same applies to the mount. Its 1 mount out of over 800.

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I’d happily swap it for the Gladiator mount any day… in fact, I’d take the Vicious Mount over it as well.

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Because, the mount was what primarily was causing the boosting scenes expansion and driving negstivity into the game itself.

By simply not driving it to the highest difficulty drops the effectiveness alot as most average players can just get it themselves.

If we want boosting to die (and we do) we need to reduce the audience whos demanding it the most.

Collectors.

Its a cosmetic reward, we have other awards for pushing further that justify those good enough do.

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Ksm is still under 25% of accounts that even have done m+.

This mount at best will be earnt by maybe 10% of the actual playerbase, so its where its ment to be realistically.

To make it higher ur just aiding the profits of the boosting communities.

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Ok mr lvl 23 alt, that doesnt have acievemnet appear as a feat of strength.

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There is KSH if you want challange KSM was never supposed to be hard to get
I never had problem since season 4 BFA to get KSM

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You’re talking nonsense op. Keystone master was a relevant achievement 2 months ago, just like ahead of the curve. Now every clown can get it by simply overgearing the content, even you.

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Pretty sure everyone disagrees with you, but OK.

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If you think only 10% would be capable of getting KSM then i have bad news for you.

By not even 70 rating. And that average only for alliance. Horde has over 25% of all characters that have entered M+ above KSM. And that number will increase further with or without boost simply because of people outgearing it

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Overall KSM isn’t hard, dungeons in general aren’t hard when you know what to do and when to do it. AND of course it would be easy if you are doing them on an already geared up character.

Maybe just maybe more people prefer PvE rather than PvP. I am absolutely atrocious at PvP, however I still find the game mode boring AF despite me having lots to learn about.