Well, i’d love to join any grp honestly, sucks sitting around the capital.
But it takes a loooooooooong time to get invited as dps be it for a 5,6,7,8 whatever.
I would be very happy to find these Mysterious grps that hunt last spot dps.
Hoenstly anyone who pugs those keys with this tuning of dungeons instead doing them only with guild is a pure masochist.
Respect to those who try but its just not worth it for gear which will be replqced anwyay on day 1 of season 2.
I personaly gonna level up 13 alts run dvelves on them then in 3 months gonna check what most meta will be willtake this alt and push to get portals. Not interested in famring mythic gear at all. Not worth the hassle 
Blizzard rips what they sew.
Everybody in beta told them that this tuning is insane , taht tank changes are stupid but they went with IT anyway
Not even speaking about that current pool of dungeons outsider of Mists is pure cancer
Cant wAit for DS to open in cata classic gonan have nice memory trip and hopefully for legion remix
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If this would ever drop i would be out of retail faster than the speed of light, everything after legion just became worse and worse.
I have spent so much time wiping in CoT that I can confirm that I have transformed into a spider…
Oh boy if only you knew…
I thought I had mentioned it in this thread but maybe it was on another, a guy wished a slow and painful death for my parents if they are alive, in hopes of them being alive, because then they can die slowly and painfully.
It was just a depleted key. He was the tank, rarely used defensive, very rarely interrupted, and constantly pulled way more packs than he could handle (603 ilvl on +8)
You think it doesn’t happen, oh it does. It is glad to hear that it hasn’t happened to you yet tho.
Now you need to farm 4 identical pairs of leggings haiyaa…
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Right? Game is so easy when you have friends 
imagine having friends in wow
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I am the pocket healer for 2 of my buddies. I do the same.
The game with friends is so much better.
And 4 pairs of boots… 
But in all fairness, I expected CoT to be super hard. But once you get the hang of it its not that difficult.
And Stonevault which I expected to be a MeMe… DAMM that place SLAPS hard…
2059 615 ilvl should be more than enough to get you invited into 7s and 8s. I bet you if I were a meta class I’d have a way easier time.
Plenty groups decline/ignore me on 7s and 8s too.
You are 100% correct. But that is not what I am saying.
Its not about capability. In fact, 0 Rio and 600 ilvl is enough for an 8. I know because i did it.
What you dont get is that for 1 particular group you have 3 DD spots and 20 applicants.
How many people, no… how many DH do you think have 615 ilvl an 100 to 200 MORE rio than you ? So if you have 2 DH candidates. One with 2059 rio and 615 ilvl and another with 2159 Rio and 615 ilvl… which one will you pick ??
You can tell me whatever you want about personal skill. Which I do not doubt. But, the ONLY number I see is Rio…
That is what I wanted to say.
Being Meta only helps you at the top end of keys. 10s and 11s at the moment. But ONLY if you got the rio to prove your quality. Nobody will invite a 2200 rio mage or aug or rsham (all meta specs) to their 10. Trust me, I know.
At the lower end, rio is king.
Like i said. If you got so many keys bellow a 6, for example GB on 4… then you got the same issue.
You have to go 1 key at a time. In this order:
- GB5
- GB6 and SV6
- GB7 and SV7
- Atleast 6/8 dungeons (got SoB on 8 already) in 8.
And then start applying for 9s.
That is what i would do.
Blizzard COULD make the system better for the DPS, though. Off the top of my head:
- Let people queue for more than 5 dungeons
- Make it so the host only sees 10 applicants and has to reject them to see more
- Provide better incentives for healing and dpsing
- Buff the non-meta specs
Also nobody is running Grim Batol.
If blizz would let me choose which item I’ll get next from a dungeon I’d heal…twice as hard!
None of that will work as you thing it will. Because the problem is lack of healers and tanks. THAT is the true problem.
But… weven making people play healers and tanks will NOT change the fact that you will get rejected anyways. Because there will be so more DDs with higher RIO than you for the 8s you are applying.
People will prefer to wait longer and get a better DD than you.
Lets go 1 by 1 with the suggestions you posted:
So right now, if I post my +9 key I will get 50 something DDs in quew. I will literally order them by RIO and choose the ones that have a similar rio to mine. Not to high, not too low.
If I let you quew for more than 5 dungeons, it will not change that fact. It will simply make my 50 candidate list into a 200 candidate list. But my process will still be the same.
Still wont change the fact that of the 10 applicants I get for my +9 (one of them being YOU), 9 will have a higher rio than you. You will get rejected 100% of the times.
Like what exactly ? If people dont want to heal they wont. Or tank for all that matter.
They need to re-think the rolls a bit more. Not just give us free gold or whatever. Because if the incentive of having instant quews in ANY content we do (from raids to PvP) is not enough… some gold/items/achievements simply wont cut it.
The meta only matters at the top. And when there is a S2 DF Exodia situation. Which for DDs at the moment, its not the case.
Dont use “non-meta” argument to get lazy and not want to follow the process of climbing Rio as everyone else.
And like I said before. It dosent matter how meta you are if you dont have the Rio to back up your skill. People 100% of the times prefer a non-meta pick with higher rio (hoping it translates to experience) than a meta pick with sub-par rio.
And when you get to higher keys, the problem is that EVERYONE has super high rio. Everyone has skill. Its irrelevant if you have 2500 rio or 2600 rio. If you timed a 11 you can most certainly time a 12. So they pick Meta classes to get that extra edge they need to do a 12.
Pure BS. There are plenty of GB keys. I did it. My friends did it. Everyone I know did it…
There is no excuse.
Your process isn’t the issue. My process is the issue.
It will force the host to make up their mind faster, which right now is making the DPS queuing process hell as we’re limited to 5 applications and need to manually cancel them.
Extra carvings/gold/stones.
Nonsense, I posted DPS representation above 2K, Mages were like 15%, Shadow Priests and DHs were like 3%. People favor certain specs more, and I never saw " DH needed " posted on a group but I sure saw " Lust/CR needed " on M+ groups.
This reads like a boomer complaining about the new generation. No one said it’s impossible, grandpa. It’s just stupidly slow.
yes its dead, tanking is waay too hard, healing is waay to hard. everybody plays dps now and suck at it. This season is a git gut season but nobody wants to git gut so they quit. I must say that there’s 0 fun dungeons at all so I’ll probably quit in a week or two as well.
Well its one and the same right ? Behind every key you apply to, there is 1 guy that is choosing a candidate.
I am just saying what HIS process is, and used myself as an example. Because that is 100% the reason WHY you dont get accepted.
Remember : Every key is a person. NOT a computer.
He will reject you faster. That is what you are telling me.
It will NOT change the fact that you will be the LOWEST rio candidate. You are rejected faster. But you WONT get accepted. That’s all.
Like I said… INSTANT quews is not enough ? You know how long a healer/tank has to wait to find a key ? 30 seconds.
What more incentive do you want ?
So what ? Look at the representation of Ret Paladins in 2k or higher.
THEN go to Raider IO and check out the top keys (11s and 12s currently). Show me how many Rets are there ?
The meta at the moment is : DH tank, Mage, Aug, Frost DK, RShaman.
But you see a TON of Rets, hunters, warriors ect… over 2k. Because a LOT of people are playing those. A LOT of people have MORE Rio than YOU and are NOT meta. And hence, YOU dont get into keys.
I know. But It will be much faster than applying to 9s all day and then complaining in the forums.
Also. For a GB +5 you have MORE rio than the average applicant. So it would be a no-brainer to get accepted.
So its not as slow as you think.
Also. Common. Boomer complaining ? I said I did it this season (not to mention previous seasons). I went through the same process as you… not in Legion, or in Vanilla 20 years ago.
I mean… right NOW. Last week ! THIS week on Thursday !
No, because you aren’t limited to 5 candidates but I am limited to applying to 5 groups.
Good? Better than wasting time.
Clearly more is needed since not many people want to play Healer/Tank.
People will take a class with lust if it’s lower RIO than a class that doesn’t have it. Same with Ranged vs Melee DPS.
RIO isn’t the only qualifier people use to accept people for F’s sake, that’s exactly why Mages are at 15% of DPS above 2K and DHs/Priests are at 3% ( which is colossally bad balance )
And? Just because you went through it doesn’t mean the process is good or reasonable.
And you didn’t go through the same process as I, you’re playing a far more popular spec that has Lust and Ankh and ranged kick, three tools which are very valuable. As a Healer you also get faster queues and have a far higher individual influence on whether the key is timed or not. I as DPS can do maybe 10-20% more DPS than the others, I can always kick on time and use my defensives and CC but at the end of the day if the other 4 people suck ( or really even 1 of them ) I can’t do anything to meaningfully increase our odds of success.
And if you, and EVERYONE ELSE, could apply to more than 5 groups, what would I, the KEY HOLDER, see ?
Then go and read what I posted already. And think about it. Slowly.
What is the goal here ? To optimize the time you spend NOT doing dungeons.
Or DOING dungeons ?
100%. But rewards is not one of those things.
100%.
But not 200 points lower. Maybe 10 or 20. But not 200 like its your case. Get that GB timed !
As for melee vs ranged. You as a DH should apply to groups with casters in it just for the Chaos Brand. If you apply for a party with a Warrior or Monk or Rogue in it your chances are lower. But not SUPER low. People prefer skill >> comp. And the only way to prove skill is with Rio.
You got 2 things WRONG here :
Rio is a qualifier for acceptance in specific groups. And class representation is the delusion people have that they THINK that playing meta can replace rio. But it CANT and it WONT.
As for class representation you got something else wrong :
DH is a funny class. Because people swap from DD to Tank.
Look at the evolution of DF seasons for example (WW is too early still). DH went from DD being meta, to Tank being meta. But overall, the same % of people played DH. And right now, it seems to be that DH is kneeling to tanks instead of DDs.
And that is the problem with specs that compete with THEMSELVES. Not with other specs. In other words, what performs better ? DH tank or DH DD ? You can balance DDs with themselves, but not with a tank.
Mages DONT. Its a 100% DD. What does change is what mage is it. Arcane, Frost or Fire.
It dosent matter if its good or reasonable.
THAT is reality. Complaining and wishing for something else wont change it.
So you got 2 options. Accept reality as is and get that GB done. OR, don’t accept it. Say the process sucks and stop playing.
Both are 100% legit options. No one will judge you.
I will get boomer with you now : I have been playing RShaman since BfA. Meta or not. Dont care.
And in all seasons I got decent rio. The most recent one I played was S3 of DF and I got to 3500 rio. Top 0.2% of players. 100% Puged. S4 of DF I took a vacation from WoW.
So you cant come here and tell me I have it “easy” for being “meta” when I went through this process every season even when I was trash tier.
And you literally have to tell ALL those people above 2k that are non meta the same exact thing. What the hell are they doing that you are not ?
Il tell you what : They got their GB5 done. You did not. Its the way it works. And trust me, its reality.
im 610 ilvl, i have run like 15 keys this week. 1 item have i looted that could be used. 1.
and that was a bad stat neck that was an upgrade because i still had a 593 neck.
so healing 15 keys with super randoms bad players that perma tilt you as a healer for nothing.
jeez i wonder why its dying, thats soo freaking much fun man.
It doesn’t matter what you as the key holder see because your experience is already far superior. It’s the solo DPS that need to have their experience made better, because theirs is by far the worst.
I don’t get it, are you confused by the concept that sending out more applications means a higher chance one of them is accepted?
Or the rewards currently available are not good enough. Make them better.
People will absolutely take a 2000 RIO ranged DPS with lust if they need it over a 2200 melee DPS that brings nothing.
Bull. I see groups with " Lust needed " All the time. Even if you can buy drums.
Who said it replaces it? It sure as hell atenuates it. Again, people will take a 2100 RIO spec that offers something they need over a 2200 RIO spec that doesn’t. Why do you think there’s 5 times more Mages above 2K than Havocs and Shadows?
Ah, the multi role argument. Immediately debunked by looking at Shaman/Paladin representation. Those classes can play multiple roles and yet also outnumber Havoc as DPS specs, by over 200%.
Because they can’t find groups lmao.
It sure does as this is a feedback thread.
If that were true we’d still be playing 2004 Vanillawow where 80% of specs are useless.
No thanks, I go for the third option which is to join the people who are criticising the broken system until they make it better.
Your doomer attitude isn’t getting to me.
You are indeed going boomer on me. You’re the 80 year old that says young kids need to stop eating avocado and then maybe they’ll afford housing.
But to answer your question, they:
- have premades
- have Mythic raiding boosting their ilvl
- play more
- had better luck
It’s the reality of a deluded fool. I ran 2 GB 6s earlier, one of them tank dced 5 minutes and I left, 1 of them tank had no idea what he was doing, pulled too much, died.
1 hour of my life wasted and you’re here telling me it’s my fault.