This will never work out. It will simple shuffle around the Meta and thats it. There will always be a meta no matter what Blizzard does or doesnt do.
Even if it Blizzard goes full “skyrim” mode and everyone can be everything…there will still be “meta builds” and so forth.
There’s a difference between a meta existing and Mages being 5 times more commonly seen in high keys than Havocs and Shadows.
That clearly shows a problem.
every dungeon having a cancer curse doesnt help the issue.
And if you say for example “nerf mages to the ground and buff warlocks” then you will have “…warlocks being 5 times more commonly seen…”. Fundamentally nothing will change…
Some people are so obsessed with the meta that they don’t even understand why its meta. if a website X says that class Y is SS tier then thats the class they will play.
You can buff the weaker specs with small increments, at the very least. Throwing your hands up and saying " Woopty doo I guess this spec doesn’t get to play WoW this season " isn’t proper game design.
OK. Look. I gave you suggestions.
You prefer to keep doing whatever you have been doing for the past weeks with ZERO results. And want to keep doing that.
I did what I could. I gave legit feedback, reasons and a specific roadmap to work on. Do whatever you want with it ok ?
Its part of the process. You think you will time 100% of the keys you do ? With ZERO issues ? Especially 2 week into the season when people are still figuring out stuff ?
If that was the case, we would all be doing 10s the 1st week. But none of us are.
Like I said. Do whatever you want with the FEEDBACK I gave you. Take it or leave it. Your choice.
And I am trying to point out that it doesn’t matter in the end.
You can make class A do 10 mil dps(JUST for example) and lowest class Z do 9.99 mil and there will still be a lot of A classes running around while class Z being very rare.
I could even link 1 cartoon(but I forgot the link) where Blizz balanced the classes for everyone to do exact same same numbers. Down to 0.000001.
And what happens? “DKS” become the new “meta” because they are atop of the list…purely by coincidence that they were put their per alphabet listing.
Get rid of the meta philosophy in general and maybe then there will be chance. Till then. Class A who does 10 mil dps and class Z who does 9.99999 mil dps and class A will still be the popular “meta” while nobody will play class Z.
What do you mean ZERO results, I pugged from 0 to 2000 rating on a pretty crappy spec.
Stop giving bad feedback and people won’t call you out for it. Your feedback is legit grandpa’s " I pulled myself by my bootstraps and bought a house in 1980 why can’t young people do it now? "
The system has issues and they need fixing. Removing the 5 group application cap is a start.
Of course it matters, that’s why games have developers that are paid to balance them.
If you’re a Shadow Priest you literally have 5 times lesser odds to be invited to a 7+ key than a mage. That’s complete dog and those devs need to earn their money better.
You are clearly missing the point I guess…
Your point is terrible. It’s a doomer, defeatist attitude of " You can’t fix X so you might as well not even try "
By that logic never release balance changes again because a meta people follow will always exist. Hell remove every class, WoW should only have 3 classes: Tank, DPS and Healer.
That’s where your broken thought process leads.
Its not a doomer. Do you even know why meta exists in the first place?
Your average Joe who makes a party. How to know which pug-classes to invite for his group? He checks the meta. The moment people start seeing that class A gets invited more, they start shifting towards it as well hence…the meta gets enforced.
Blizzard can balance classes down to 0.000001% difference but your average Joe will demand a “meta list” to help him invite people. And if website says that class A is S tier and class B is C tier… EVEN if the difference between them in numbers is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
Class A will still get invited more then class B.
Because players will always choose the path of least resistance. But here’s the thing, if Shadow Priest was 2% worse than Mage instead of being 20% worse than Mage, then more players would invite them to the party than they do now.
People blindly follow the meta. A bad performing S tier class will do worse than experienced B tier class. Yet people will still blindly invite S tier class over it.
Speaking from experience with my long-term spriest friend. In DF, they were S tier, in BFA = F tier. They were simply persona’s non grata in m+, yet in the groups where we got in, he was doing top dps.
That that is considering only DDs.
Specs that can switch between rolls it gets even more complicated.
That would ONLY be the case if the 2 healer specs of Priest were 20% worse than any other healer.
If on the other-hand DPriest and HPries were 2% what RShaman is at the moment, they would be meta and the DD would still be a mage.
Same for DHs.
Why do you assume there’s so much overlap between Healer and DPS players in ONE class? Most DPS I know would rather change class entirely than go Healer. It’s a complete gamestyle shift.
Many DH DDs changed class. But other tanks changed to DH tank.
Spec popularity is not static. Some people switched rolls from tank to DD, some from DD to tank. Some tanks stay tank but change spec… ect…
And the reasons for this are many. Not only “meta or non meta”.
You are seeing it from a very 1 dimensional point of view.
The percentage of people who reroll from Class1 DPS to Class2 DPS is far far far higher than the percentage of people who reroll from Class1 DPS to Class1 Tank.
FAR higher. Like massively so.
And your numbers are from ?
Here are mine : https://mythicstats.com/meta?expansion=df
Look at the evolution of DH in early S3 to late S3 and S4 of DF. Look at the evolution of Priest for example, witching from DD to healer. Or paladin. Switching from Prot, Holy and Ret.
And overall, the same amount of players play it.
So I digress. Data shows otherwise.
NOTE : There is 1 exception to all this : S2 exodia. That was a disaster !
This doesn’t show rerolls, it only shows representation. ( also holy crap it’s unreadable who made that, do they hate Excel or what )
Without showing the number of M+ runs all week ( and even that one wouldn’t be accurate because people might just decide not to run keys that week ) how in the world can you tell if someone rerolled from Havoc to Vengeance?
And your numbers are from ?
Playing this game for 20 years and knowing that it’s very rare for someone who played DPS for years to decide to main tank.