The only emotion people have for Blizzard’s lore is anger and disgust due to the utterly bad quality of it. There’s nothing more to it than that.
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I think people just don’t understand the story and therefore they say it doesn’t make any sense.
It is easier to lie to yourself than admit you don’t understand. Seemingly.
I’ve said before - I don’t think the story itself is bad, but it is told in an atrocious way. Key information is being withheld.
We need to know how Zovaal managed to get Sylvanas on his side. He could’ve lied to her. Also, let’s not forget that part of Sylvanas’ soul was missing from her, which is definitely going to affect her judgment.
People talk about how Arthas’ soul is pure and all evil he did was because of the Helm of Domination but… that’s not true. Arthas did a lot of evil even before he put on The Helm.
Sylvanas seems to be acting out of desperation more than malice. Desperation to get her soul back, desperation to save the souls of her people from being wiped by The Kyrian or tortured by The Venthyr. Desperate, and let’s be fair - victimized people - can easily find it in themselves to act out atrocities. Hell, just take a look at 1920s and 1930s Germany. The entire country felt victimized after WW1, and there’s plenty of historians who’d argue the sanctions were way too harsh, they destroyed Germany and basically guaranteed some monstrosity happening from that country. Hitler or no. Same with The Jailer - he was betrayed by his brethren, and now his vengeance will be quite disproportionate. Naomi Wolf, a very interesting feminist, was talking in the 90s about victims getting power and what that can lead to. It’s very interesting.
Here’s the thing - all of that is conjecture. Because for some reason, Blizz saw it more fit to focus the story on the politics and drama of the Kyrian rather than focusing it on what we all want to know more about - Sylvanas and The Jailer, who are, let’s be fair… quite insular characters in Shadowlands so far. All the revelations that we’ll get in 9.1.5, 9.2, the Sylvanas book… should’ve happened in 9.0. I don’t care about a fight between nature and automation. I want to know more about Sylvanas and the Jailer.
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Nathanos was waiting at his home for us.
He intended to die.
Sylvanus wasn’t surprised that he was dead I’m sure that was the plan but she was surprised she wasn’t told about it. He’s likely held in Torghast being tortured.
I’m confident that she didn’t see herself as an equal, but seen it as working for him for a common goal.
The word “serve” suggests a controlling influence, she’s not free, essentially a slave and we know she doesn’t like that.
There were small moments that she was beginning to realise that The Jailer might not have been so candid with his intentions. The end cinematic was predicable, a rather clumsy, emotional response rather like the burning Teldrassil.
In a way, (now) classic Sylvanas
You don’t understand: It is not the same. In Shadows Rising, she dismisses him. The whole of Azeroth is hunting them down, so it is not like she is sending him to the battlefield. She is leaving him to his fate.
You are probably trolling right now, her little “mockery” might define her, but it certainly does not reveal the lore for anyone. She says to Bolvar “Fordragon, a king without a throne” And flies away. Whatever does that reveal other than just a stupid line making her seem even more arrogant and despisable? Besides, all of her little smart lines are pretty much: “NO YOUUUU!”
So no, they are not smart.
“Confirmed the doubts”, all she reacted to was the word “Serve”, because she thought they were partners. Buddies. She had some thoughtful expressions, but she followed his every order to the letter nonetheless. And if you think that she is good because in previous cinematics she had an expression, well, she had a smile to the ears when she commited genocide for him.
Her goal… We do not know what her goal ever was. And the fact she went to the Maw after she died, it was the Jailer, because the frostmourne had ripped her in half. (If we exclude the horrible ressurections she did on random citizens, raising a people just for her revenge)
“sHe DiDn’T fOlLoW hIs OrDeRz CuZ wE nEvEr sAw hIm GiViNg ThEm”. Have you even been following the story? Everything she does fuels the Jailer’s plans, so she is following his plans, but if we saw him telling her what to do as players, it wouldnt work because as players we would already know what she would be going to do. It is like saying Khadgar doesn’t have the need to go to the toilet because we never saw him doing so.
A personal goal that brings suffering and death to others makes one evil though? But who am I kidding? The cause sanctifies the means, right? Her cause.
You could have spared yourself from this kind of childishness, but you do you, I’m not going to debate any further.
I just want to clarify, in case anyone else is severely lacking in reading comprehension, that I do not think she’s “good”, I simply described her point of view. And I think reasoning in such superficial Manichean terms holds no analytical value and doesn’t make for an interesting conversation.
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Retail and his state is what happen when terrible designers and storytellers are un charge and swa some people goes for tbc classic and it save the financial fiasco of that brand.
Next in world of bansheecraft another cliffhanger with the banshee and how she speak about her hurt ego/hubris and how the jailer is the big bad guy we didn’t see that coming!
Excited ? well wait 9 month for it in patch 9.2 by the time did you bought porgy ? The new jeweld flying pig mount from the shop , haa it’s awesome your gonna love it it !
It does oink oink and shine when the light is too dark and only for a six month subscription !
And the long promised Shal’dorei options ? Well they will come for 40 more bucks $$$ in the next x-pack as well as mecha goblins the horde too can now live the robotic nightmare !
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You are not the sharpest tool in the shelf and you have ran out of arguments. Thank you for sparing me from your advanced stupidity deciding not to debate any further. You did not respond to ANY of my points, because you know you have nothing else to say in your fav character’s defense. This alone shows your lack of arguments, and then you try to sound mature and clever by insulting people.
I have seen you in another thread, where you valiantly wrote a bunch of long posts saying how Sylvanas is good writing and nice character etc etc, and when you ran out of arguments you ended up saying :“She is a fictional character why do you mald against her lol”. Well yes, that’s what WoW is, a fictional story in a fictional world. And we are here discussing it. If you think that is not worth doing, then why did your highness honor us with so many nonsensical posts saying how Sylvanas is good?
And yet again you say, when you lose the conversation, “haha you are not worth my time”.
Guess what: you are not even worth the 3- minutes I spent writing this answer, but I wrote it in case your brain starts functioning and gets you off your high horse.
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She hated Arthas, the Lich King, etc.
Ever since he cursed her, she has been serving.
Yet when the Lich King’s boss wants her help she’s like “I trust this guy, he’s good and only wants to make things better.”
Like whaaaaaat?! He was the one controlling Arthas, who made him kill her. Who manipulated her and everyone she loved into doing bad things. Yet she’s totally A-OK with being his servant. Knowing full well that he was behind everyone of her horrible experiences and misdeeds.
Then suddenly when 3 people are put in chains by him she’s like: "I WON’T SERVE, I’VE NEVER SERVED."
Whaaaaaaaat?! 
That’s beginner’s level fanfic writing.
And to top it off: She fires her OP bow at him and doesn’t wreck him. But whenever she fires it at someone else it deletes them in a one shot. Where’s that OP MARY SUE GOD MODE Sylvanas in the cut scene? She should have one shot the jailer like the one shot everyone else then flew off into the distance in banshee form.
Noo, suddenly she is all weak and mortal and we’re supposed to feel bad for that god mode op mary sue.
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Tl:Dr the writing is 
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I quite like Kiss principle, ie Keep it Simple Stupid.
I don’t see what to reflect on. I just wanna spit on this w***e. And I dare to say this.
OK so I should open my chakkras, smoking some weed and start listening some Bob maley music.
It’s a video game, story should be comprehensive by playing, not reading stories outside of the game.
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You get everything you need in the game. You’ll get more in the coming weeks, but you should be able to see the writing on the wall already, I think.
The question that the story should make you reflect a bit on is…
What does it mean to be good?
I also pretend the lore doesn’t exist anymore, I might even make up my own some afternoon these days.
It begins with sylvanas dying in ICC
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Well, killing thousands of innocent in order to serve a guy that wants to dominate the world kinda narrows the fact she’s not morally gray but rather evil.
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out of horde moral) she betrayed by using magic in mak’gorah but so did thrall vs garrosh
I didn’t ask about Sylvanas.
I asked what it means to be good.
You’ve outlined a lot of hard labor that Sylvanas has gone through. She’s killed thousands of innocents and serves a guy that wants to dominate the world. To you that makes her evil.
Alright.
So what hard labor is it that makes someone good?
Lol it’s wow not Ulysses. There’s not much too understand. A woman fell for a bad man. How original. Not
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You say there’s not much to understand and you immediately follow it up by showing to all your lack of understanding.
Amazing.
Sylvanas did all this to make the forsaken child bearable so its not stupid out of banshe’s perspektive
Saving lives rather than wipin’ them all !
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