Well that could mean we can get back: Deathwing, Arthas, Aszhara fish lady, Ghun, Blackhand, basically everyone who we killed and its not a demon because demons go back to the twisting nether.
That would be a great time to uninstall the game i guess?
Ive only seen you insulting me, but since you think i did insult you please be my guest and quote any insult i made vs you.
No, i reply to whiners. Thats all, now if you think that you can cry all you want and push your super-genocide agenda like this OP “dismantle the horde” and get 0 answers im afraid the forums are not a place for you because everyone is free to reply to you.
Says the druid who flooded the forums about their RP tree that got burned
Demanding horde to be destroyed just for one tree
Im so toxic that i reply… I can see now, you shed some light in my case druid!
See that is part of your cognitive dissonance that makes every discussion with you futile.
You are so burried up in your own little victim world that you can’t see reality.
How Alliance helped Arthas when Arthas was the one who brought downfall to it? You should be the one to send him bouquet of flower and a basket full of treats for destroying Alliance from within. Nobody weakened Alliance like Arthas did.
WTF are you talking about? I am horde player from the very start unlike you.
Just because I’m calling out nonsense that simply isn’t true doesn’t make me Alliance player. These are story forums and we should strike for objective truth.
My space goats? Lol, I am not space goat player. But these playable space goats are the ones who helped bring down the Burning Legion and were harassed by the rest of their kin. It’s like blaming Darkspears for the fault of Gurubashi. It’s utter nonsense.
How they helped him? He was doing fine until Sthratholme, and then he immediately went to northrend, and once he returned he was unstoppable. It’s the elves who turned their back against humans who asked them for help.
I am not Alliance snowflake, I don’t even have doble agent achievement for rising Alliance alt to max level. Ad hominem isn’t really helping your argumentation.
You’re talking insane. Just because I call Arthas being Alliance responsibility a nonsense doesn’t mean I support Alliance crimes. Do you understand what facts are or objective perception?
I don’t even have elf character but sure,
“you burned muh tree” xD
I never claimed that they were not Arthas creation. I claimed that elves were attacked by raised Lordaeronians, who are currently now a forsaken.
And that Assault cannot be blamed on Alliance when Scourge was as much downfall to them too.
But Logic is hard I guess.
It’s canon though…Anduin directly took responsibility for Arthas and his crimes upon the Alliance so we can all blame them for that
also because when he returned with the Scourge, he was unstoppable like you said, BUT the Alliance Kingdoms in the south (Stormwind, Ironforge, the Gnomes) were far, far too slow to react to the Scourge invasion so basically they left the Kingdoms of the North (Lordaeron, Dalaran, Gilneas, and Quel’thalas even if it was already neutral) alone to fend off against the undead.
And even when finally Garithos built up a resistance for Lordaeron, you finally see the Dwarves of Ironforge helping him with the Blood Elves, BUT still Humans of Stormwind weren’t helping them at all
Well it wouldn’t be first time for Anduin talking nonsense.
Alliance taking resposibility for Arthas would be if entire Alliance supported Arthas on each of his step, but that wasn’t the case. They tried to stop him but failed, and apparently for “reacting too slow” makes them guilty for actions of man who destroyed Alliance from inside.
And honestly, elves are partly guilty of that too maybe the casulties wouldn’t be so terrible if they actually came to assistance instead of hiding behing magic wall until there was literally nobody to save them left.
Alliance has lots of faults and I really dislike hypocritical approach of the writers, when all the newer events of what they commited is quite big already.
I don’t think that blaming entire current Alliance for Arthas is fair, just like I don’t think that blaming current Horde for Gul’Dan is fair.
That is part of the blame too for the Alliance Kingdoms in the South…imagine if in the pre-patch of Shadowlands where the Scourge attacks, Horde and Alliance ignore them…that would be…not good at all
The High Elves had more numbers, but overall they were militarily weaker than the Blood Elves…no paladins, no warlocks, no fel magic and Demons, no Spellbreakers, no mana bombs, no Blood Golems, no Death Knights, no Demon Hunters, no allies…just a bunch of Rangers, Priests and Mages can’t do much to stop the Scourge for long so the result will not change
Well that’s fine, I don’t blame all of the Alliance, but characters like Uther or Jaina should have done more to stop him before taking Frostmourne for example, they shouldn’t have run away leaving him alone at Stratholme, they should have followed him and stop him into Northrend in time…lot of possibilities but they left him alone
What about Deus-Ex machine of conjuring armageddon? They were shown capable of doing that.
And really back then they had numbers, now they might have newer fancier stuff, but they have extremelylow numbers which makes them very vulnerable imo.
and there is no info about DH alliances. They seemed like DKs their own little faction.
In the quote I provided Uther did try to capture Arthas, and he died opposing him, Jaina decided to flee with survivors like Medivh advised.
You mean when they were Night Elves with the Well of Eternity? Because the Sunwell is not powerful enough for that to happen…
Strong enough to resist a few years against Amani+Scourge attacks. And this is before TBC when they joined the Horde actually. So from fall of the Sunwell and 90% population loss until TBC the Blood Elves were STILL stronger than BOTH Forest Trolls + Undead LOL
Oh and he has blame for Arthas too. Because he warned only Lordaeron and Dalaran, all the others…nah, just leave them in the dark about a huge undead and demonic invasion coming soon
Bu they did exactly that during Troll Wars to change the tide of war. Funny how these deux-ex machines works, sometimes they’re viabale, sometimes people are incapable thinking to use exact same measure for self defence.
Scourge and trolls are still there just like elves. And guess who recently split back to Alliance? These new velves have noproblem of attacking their former people. Just saying that they have some serious problems.
I am not defending Medivh, he is a douche. I never liked them Guardians to begin with from the concept alone, soo… Just saying why they couldn’t really oppose Arthas. Uther died facing him andJaina chose survival and migration instead of being killed with the rest of survivors.
I agree but, do the Void Elves (and Alliance) really have the courage to attack Silvermoon and re-start faction war? Probably not very soon…
unless Alleria loses Turalyon and/or her son (or Vereesa) because of Lady Liadrin, Rommath or another blood elf killing them. Only in that case a full Alliance invasion of Quel’thalas could happen (Void Elves alone are not strong to invade, they can only corrupt the Sunwell, just like they corrupted the raptors and dinosaurs of the Zandalari, and as far as I recall the Zandalari were a bit afraid about them and the Void!! at least until the Loa Gonk intervened to protect his children directly, maybe the Zandalari were afraid of the Void Elves without Loa help )
Stormwind didn’t exist in W3, that’s the big problem, it got retconned back into the story for classic. There are actually several mentions of Stormwind soldiers fighting in Lordaeron - like the Mor’Ladim story https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Story_of_Morgan_Ladimore - or several npcs talking about Stormwind’s army being sent off to Lordaeron. And let’s not forget how many Lordaeron refugees are living in Stormwind - Anduin himself says in Before the Storm that Calia could very well raise an army to reclaim her kingdom if she wanted.
The Lordaeron refugees are in Stormwind because they fled alone in the South…Arthas killed a lot of them, but couldn’t kill them all after all. Also some are the ones who followed Jaina to build Theramore I guess.
Oh, so they sent some soldiers like Morgan Ladimore? Well I guess in Lordaeron nobody really could tell the difference since as I said, the army of the resistance was basically only made of Lordaeroni soldiers, Dwarves and Blood Elves
And Stormwind still existed. Just weakened but they should have helped with far, far more than a few soldiers.
Oh and they don’t even get the justification “but we were far…”.
Ironforge was far too, and they still sent a sizable help. Also you could see how fast Anduin reacted when they sent a big Alliance fleet to attack Tirisfal and Undercity. So back then they SHOULD have done an attack like that against Arthas and the Scourge.
Oh and Kul Tiras should have helped Lordaeron too- instead of just following the Horde in Kalimdor just to kill them all for petty revenge -and failing at that too.
So if Stormwind and Kul Tiras had sent help together WHEN it actually mattered, Lordaeron would have been reclaimed for the Alliance back then in Vanilla already…
No it didn’t. That’s meaning of the word “retcon”. It’s not mentioned anywhere in WarCraft 3. That’s why W3 story doesn’t make sense post-classic WoW, because Medivh could have landed in Stormwind as well.
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