Do you believe they are sexes?
Please enlighten me with all the points that correlate with whatever points come up with a wikipedia search on sexes.
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“I met a Girl today in elwyn forest and she was totally shy, girly and super cute I am so glad I as a man could enjoy this view.”
By the gods What happend to me? Am I no longer who I was?
Am I still myself? By the light may I be saved.
(the gods forbid the people from calling newborns male or female)
I’m not going to enlighten you with your nihilism. I don’t care that you chose to believe nothing really matters in the end.
Nothing out of this whole debacle makes sense, you refuse to give up answers based on your own government linked blogs on sexes and genders and you instead try to further the argument based on nothingness.
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Maybe try that again I never said it in such context.
In science, the thing why you have a good graphic card right now.
We can never assume we know the absolute correct answer to something, otherwise we can never learn and improve.
If you don’t even get anny basic thinking methodology I can’t help it anny further.
Still waiting for the time 1 plus 1 equals 3. You know what year that will be? Will I still be alive to see the change being implemented?
Funny how you throw in things no one said and present them as facts. Twisting words. Says a lot about your way of debating.
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Why change it in the first place? Who are we appeasing?
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You could say why waste your time and energy on anything at all. This stuff has had a seriously negative effect on the quality of entertainment in general, and has been leaking into everyday life.
This same sort of wasting energy as you call it is done outside of the game by a large majority of people. So it’s not much of a surprise that it causes the same issues when pushed into a fantasy make-believe game from 10-15 years ago, played as an escape for a lot of people.
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The original question in this chain of replies, which you still haven’t answered, was:
What does “conforming to their world view” mean in this context?
I don’t understand what you’re talking about.
It’s a minor and purely cosmetic change with no material impact on the game or your gameplay experience. Very simple and I’ve repeatedly said so. Not much room to be confused unless you’re deliberately being confused (or pretending to be confused) for the sake of argument.
What reasons? You can still refer to your characters however you want.
And yet you and others are in here getting angry about it.
What basic biology?
If you’re talking about biology in-universe, please cite your in-universe sources for how sex and gender work in World of Warcraft.
If you’re talking about biology in real life, what are you talking about specifically and how is it relevant to World of Warcraft?
What lie?
In what context does this arise?
It’s far from that simple - there’s a wide variety of intersex variations.
What happens? Why are so many of the objections to this ‘it’s not about this it’s about what this opens the door to!’ and bizarre hypotheticals?
Are you suggesting that minorities shouldn’t fight for equal rights?
Most people are already doing this. Only a few people like you are upset by it for unclear reasons.
Are you aware that Carl Linnaeus who was using the symbols back in 1767 was also using the Mercury symbol ☿ to refer to hermaphroditic (also known in botany as ‘perfect’) flowers? Even the 18th Century origins of the use of the symbols aren’t binary.
Also, are you aware that masculine and feminine silhouette icons (like the ones in WotLK) are much more widely used in real life than planetary symbols, for instance on almost all public toilets? Does that also anger you?
Neither was removed. Sex and gender are pretty big and fundamental concepts in the real and fictional worlds. What was removed was a label on a button on the character creation screen of a video game.
You are not disagreeing with people in favour of this change here. Most of us agree that Blizzard could/should have gone further and that this is a lazy implementation.
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I am still the only one citing scientific facts, with sources, whilst the people against this change make baseless emotional arguments and admit that they’re scared of hypothetical future scenarios that exist only in their heads.
Good example here. Multiple people disagreeing with me = “I’m being ganged up on”
Again, yep, this isn’t some “gotcha”. Most people in favour of the change also want more options.
Who’s they? What targeting and fixation? This sounds like weird/creepy conspiracy theory stuff to me.
This is a pretty bold take. Look at Facebook. Look at the weird conspiracy theory FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: email chains you get (or used to get) from older relatives.
Nope, many people identify as intersex and are much happier doing so than when they were attempting to fit into (and when other people were attempting to make them fit into) a false binary.
Nope. A label was removed from a button on the character creation screen of a video game.
Nope. Sex isn’t binary.
Yep that would be neat. It’s really funny how y’all keep coming up with neat ideas while trying to come up with absurd strawmen.
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Hello All!
Here’s my 2 cents on the whole situation
I don’t believe anyone ( or almost anyone - apart from those who are true monsters) has a problem with inclusiveness of the people with a third/unspecified gender. We all know they exist and acknowledge that. That is the reality.
HOWEVER, Some people who are either strictly male or female believe this inclusiveness is at the cost of the two already established genders. They feel offended that their identity is being disregarded as the cost of inclusiveness. Now personally I don’t understand it fully - but correct me if I’m wrong - but the addition of pronouns should really help with people’s identification of gender. If that is indeed the case there’s nothing to worry about. You’re male - you put your pronoun to Mr/Sir whatever WoW uses and that’s that. If that’s the case no one will be left behind. If you combine body type 1 + pronoun Mr - everyone should know you’re male. I hope that’s the case.
If that’s NOT the CASE. Frankly I believe it would be best if there’s 3 options to choose from: male, female and /third/unspecified gender in with the option to choose your body type if you press on option number 3 and of course keep the pronouns. So no one feels left behind or disrespected.
That’s my honest non troll opinion. I’m open to constructive and logical criticism.
Kind Regards to All,
Athoraxe
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This is obviously the case judging from people’s posting on the subject, but I and others simply don’t see how this change costs anyone anything.
Yeah, pronouns would be a good change. I think I read that they’re coming in retail so I assume we’ll see similar. To be fair though they don’t come up often ingame at all so I’m not sure how obvious they would be.
Yeah, Blizzard could certainly do more and better and this is one of the suggestions I’ve seen a few times.
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Don’t care too much about pronouns being added to the game cause it’s not used anywhere.
More customization though? Absolutely always in favor of that.
Gender is being removed yes, and in what world is this being inclusive? I guess you don’t understand that words are just words, if this was a change to be inclusive you could mix and match both sex into one.
Stop 
with this fake inclusive non sense. Either let things be like they ever was since, wc1 release where a char is either male or female or revamp it completely. The world is full of fake stuff and peopl who have no idea about basic things
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How? Is gender only and specifically a concept that governs the labels on buttons on the character creation screen of a video game for you?
Like what?
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This gender / body type thing is a lie. You still have male and female, but now people will complain cuz you removed the proper names for it and others will complain because you just changed the names and nothing more. Both of them are right.
Changing names is low effort, fake inclusive.
Yeah, I agree it’s low effort. I think the intention behind it is genuine and it’s not purely a cynical attempt to be “fake inclusive”, though there may be higher-ups at Blizzard who see it that way.
The people ‘on the front lines’ who are actually responsible for the change and other customisation options have written about it and seem sincere when they do so.
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I guess I’m a “true monster” as it simply comes down to #NoChanges and that inclusion does nothing substantial when the minority it is referring to is so so small, and that it bothers far more people than it appeases.
More to the point, this expansion is for a game from 10-15 years ago, meant to be a Classic experience. They can freely make a new game with all these features, one that isn’t the Classic version.
I’d love to see that stats of how many people this affects, and/or who wanted this change, but we’ll never see it.
Is it really that bad to understand? Blizzard needs to do these changes for HR reasons. The game is still the same. Whatever body type u choose, you still see a body with/without boobs. If it bothers you that much, go play FF where u can adjust everything.
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Myself, and I would say the majority of others, couldn’t care less about Blizzard’s PR reasoning, we just want to play the game for the Classic experience. These changes they made make no difference internally to Blizzard, actual change will make a difference, not removing male and female from character creation screen in a game in favour of body types and including them at the barbershop also. I wouldn’t play FF because I’ve played it and don’t like it.
I’m not getting into what precedent means, or the “Why not” vs “Why do it” thinking.
Lets face it, it’s not for ‘HR’ reasons.
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