The main criticism in this sense about China and Russia is that they enforce an ideology
You can argue this is the same for us, given most issues raised in this topic are slowley or already enshrined in law, thus making it enforcable by law? Arguably Law is connected to ideology, the only difference is we sit around for hours debating on pronouns whilst they just crack on with it.
Just because our values are different to theirs doesn’t make it idiotic, its just different to our perception of right and wrong from a western perspective.
I mean, it is idiotic because stuff like sexual orientation, gender, religion and a lot other aspects of life are not things where anybody (not a private corporation, not a government, not any group of people) should lay claim to what others should do. If a society is so fragile that it can’t stand a person liking people of the same sex, then maybe the rest of people would be better off not existing at all, and the same goes for anybody in general.
But it’s not simply about liking the same sex. Nobody cares. Their body, their choice. A society is fragile when a small minority can dictate what the majority should believe is okay. And that is what we are at right now.
It isn’t, let’s face it you can simply turn the argument around and say you’re scared of their ideology (as you say, fragile), and should equally be just as accepting, to turn the other cheek as they’d say. Instead you’re insulting what many in those countries believe to be right and how life should be. Not everyone will embrace your ideals, just as wemay not embrace theirs, but I’d expect you to be more accepting given you’re telling others to accept your views and grow. Maybe there’s a lesson to be learnt there, that different cultures still exist, and were all just hypocrites.
I mean, it’s not that you should believe “it’s okay”, it’s more that it’s not something that you’re supposed to care about, and people shouldn’t have to answer to you if you do. For example, a lot of questionnaires nowadays, when asking for your gender, have “Male, Female, Other” as options, at the very least. If that offends you because the questionnaire admits to the existence of people recognizing themselves as non-binary, nobody is supposed to give a damn. Whether Blizzard did it right (compared to the aforementioned questionnaire, for example), sincerely etc. is another matter. But the mere fact a private business acknowledges the existence of non-binary people is not “dictating what the majority should believe is okay”. It’s just acknowledging the right of that minority (and, by extension, everybody else) that only the individual is allowed to tell what gender they are, among other things.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I never said that the way Blizzard went about it is optimal, flawless or even in good faith. I simply find laughable that people would accuse recognizing the existence of non-binary people - heck, even merely hinting to it - as a breach of RL politics into their escapist fantasy. That is simply ridiculous if you ask me.
If they were “accepting”, they wouldn’t outlaw it to begin with. It’s not about everyone “embracing my ideals”, it’s about everyone accepting the limits of their own moral claims, and how nobody is allowed to tell anybody else how OTHER PEOPLE should live their own spiritual life, their sexuality and a lot other PRIVATE stuff. The idea that Russia or China even come remotely close to this baseline level of respect is beyond laughable.
I think yopu find this only slightly less ridiculous than I do the fuzz about being inclusive because it’s now body type 1 or 2 - It’s only what I call “word magic” symbol policy. Not helping any and buggering a lot of people. Nothoing about " recognizing the existence of non-binary people" in this. I still feel left out as I want sex/gender to mean nothing / zero / zilch in a computer game!
And as I never tire of repeating: If it means less to you than it does to me, you should back down and say: Have your way
If they were “accepting”, they wouldn’t outlaw it to begin with. It’s not about everyone “embracing my ideals”, it’s about everyone accepting the limits of their own moral claims, and how nobody is allowed to tell anybody else how OTHER PEOPLE should live their own spiritual life, their sexuality and a lot other PRIVATE stuff. The idea that Russia or China even come remotely close to this baseline level of respect is beyond laughable.
Having been to China, I have more respect for them than any western country. They are hard working, and have a lot more to moan about than us, yet they don’t - they just get on with what life throws at them even if they’ve lost everything. Again this comes down to you just not understanding how different the cultures are. And folk should do what they want, but there’s plenty of places to go to, as many have reminded us, that we could just go to another country if we don’t like what’s happening in our own. Surely this goes both ways on the argument you’re so happy to throw at us.
For those countries they have been round for thousands of years, China is one of the longest standing cultures within the world with a rich history, its not a crime to hold onto traditions. And if we don’t understand the cultural differences, then that’s an us issue. We just think in a very different and less family orientated way in the west.
But this is the thing, you said PRIVATE - and I think to them it is all very private, they don’t have shows like Love Island or rubbish where everyone is trying to sleep with anyone. What you do behind closed doors is your own business, but you’d be surprised (you specifically) and how many of those folk in that country are happy with that way of life.
I don’t mean “private” as in “behind a damn door”, I mean “private” as in “my own business”. And again, I’m not saying there’s something wrong with traditions in general. But traditions work if people freely embrace them. Individually. If you need laws to make sure people follow those traditions whether they like it or not, then there’s something wrong regardless of what those traditions are.
Laws should be reserved for stuff like paying taxes, protecting property, protecting people from suffering physical harm from others. They shouldn’t be used to tell people how much they’re allowed to play videogames for, or who they’re allowed to have love with. So please, spare me the whole “Russia/China are so much more tolerant than we are”. If you yourself feel more at home there because their traditions/ways of life align more with how you are, well, good for you. But I’d rather be in a place where people moan more or are less hard working but I don’t have to worry about whether what I say in a public place happens to criticize the govt in charge.
And ftr I know this whole thing has vastly gone off-topic, but I’m tired of morons bringing up Russia/China as if they’re the most free places in the world, just because they happen to feel at home there. That’s like, I dunno, saying that a religious cult is “free” just because you happen to be a practictioner yourself.
I also seen that, albeit the other thing you said probably caused it, but I have seen others saying just what you said and it getting quickly flagged as trolling even though it’s not. There’s ones calling others “real life bigots” and other things I can’t mention, and their posts are still there.
It’s ridiculous that this is being downvoted. All it does is show that you have to bow down to the new rules, whether you like it or not.
Science? Nah, not this time.
Nowhere he said that people are mentally ill, stop twisting words. The spam thing must be some automated thing when you say something that does not fit the narrative.
Yes you did twist the words because clearly you do not understand what those words mean. Nobody is attacking you mate we simply telling you to stop twisting words when you clearly have no arguments. But i guess you clearly are not mature enough to be on the forum.
No it is is not the same at mentally ill since mentally ill is consider as a slur while psychiatric diagnoses are more of a factual statement. Do not put them at the same level.
Then please enlighten me what it means, since it seems everyone here knows what it means and I clearly don’t.
What i read is this guy telling that a lot of health departmens are telling that people who flag peoples post, or hypocrites or people who wants diversity has severe psychological diagnosis - and the guy never tells what kind of diagnosis it is - so I am sorry, but it seems to me it is just rewriting the overly used mentally ill part.
I don’t ask you to read all the post, but we had a argument last nigh, this seem to me it was going for the player and not the ball.
But I do have especially on this subject, I work in the psychiatrical sector, so when I see vague statements like this I have a lot of things to say, and all I see is the same ol’ retard comment, that was outfased from our health systems 40 years ago.
Intentions behind words is what matters here.
Here the poster means people on this forums has psychiatrical disabillities, no matter how you want it ti be different, he is actually attacking people and you allow it
I am all for letting people be whatever makes them happy, but as mentioned before, the correct way to do this was to simply offer 4 options instead of 2, and then no one is targeted or marginalized or forced to accept something they don’t want to.
When we accept saying that people will be spam reported because their opinion is different from other people it doesn’t really echo acceptance does it, which is what everyone will need to reach before the world can move forward? Hide people, mute people, do what you need to do to be happy, but if you are struggling for inclusivity, why allow this to make the red mist descend? Just all try and be happy together.
I don’t think Blizzard thought this through. As with most things these days. I lay the blame for this completely at their door. If you fail to cater to one view, then you are not promoting inclusivity, you are promoting aggression and uncertainty.
Dude it have already been explained or can’t you read a comment?
Or more likely you mad a stupid argument and people call you out on it since it clearly did not make any sense.
Yes and i am the president of the USA and the World. Dude stop with the bull crap and if you did work and the psychiatric sector you should at leas know the difference between a slur and a factual statement.
If intention matters then you should know the difference between attacking other people and ACCEPTING FACTUAL STATEMENT. Stop using the words attacking people when you clearly do not know what they mean. Where did he or she ATTACK OTHER PEOPLE?
I can read a comment, and he did not explain it, so I am asking you to do it, but if you don’t want to, then fine.
Not really, be feel free to see it that way, I can’t stop you from doing that.
No, because I work in this, I have to differentiate between the words… He doesn’t provide with context to papers, slurs out a department that works in different ways and also work together in different ways… And with all the psychiatris diagnosis there is, it is VERY important to know who and what we are talking about.
He did not use a fctual statement, in your terms he just pulled something out between his cheeks
He still didn’t use factual statements, since he didn’t provide with any of the facs, just random things.
Read the entire quote again, he is attacking ‘these’ people… And since he is talking about the report button and those pressing it, he means people on this forum, not your grandma and not mine either… It is an attack towards people that is being disagreed with.
This is no different from those calling people bigots.