Is this it for Ferals?

[Sorrel-terenas]

Those are both good suggestions, a 2 minute CD is essential anything else is a bonus.

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

@Sorrel-terenas

you make it sound like it will happen on a regular basis wasting an abundance of combo points and that is simply not the case.

I see that you do not engage in PvP, maybe you should stop talking nonsense as if you actually do participate in the entire game.

This will be a massive issue in PvP, especially given how with returning to a bleed-centric gameplay BT will be mandatory in all ST content (PvP being such content).

@Sorrel-terenas

No I didn’t, I said getting the buff would be fairly simple in most situations.

No, that’s actually not at all what you said. I’ll refresh your memory for you:

@Sorrel-terenas

If it is mandatory, I don’t think it will be, as you say it will only be mandatory in very small number of situations and in those situation I think BT is fine.

The bolded part is simply untrue.

[Sorrel-terenas]

@Ridtur-outland

I see that you do not engage in PvP, maybe you should stop talking nonsense as if you actually do participate in the entire game.

This will be a massive issue in PvP, especially given how with returning to a bleed-centric gameplay BT will be mandatory in all ST content (PvP being such content).

Don’t you think that is a bit juvenile? And how are you comparing our PvP records?

@Ridtur-outland

@Sorrel-terenas

No I didn’t, I said getting the buff would be fairly simple in most situations.

No, that’s actually not at all what you said. I’ll refresh your memory for you:

@Sorrel-terenas

If it is mandatory, I don’t think it will be, as you say it will only be mandatory in very small number of situations and in those situation I think BT is fine.

The bolded part is simply untrue.

You are also conflating what I said to fit you agenda. The first quote ‘no i didnt…’ was in response to you accusing me of saying BT would only be viable in a small number of situations, I have never said that.

The second quote Is what I believe to be the case. Obviously you disagree. But the problem is you’ve highlighted just a part of it out of context to try and validate yourself.

Now whether you conflated the information deliberately to validate you point or just general lack of understanding on your part I’ve no idea.

So in closing. I like the new BT more than the old. Its not difficult to use unless you’re a slack jawed lack wit. Its not perfect and it wont be mandatory (even in pvp) unless you choose to burden your self with it if you don’t like it.

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

@Sorrel-terenas

Don’t you think that is a bit juvenile?

Not at all. You’ve shown quite well you have no clue about what happens in PvP on a regular basis and how old and new BT works and will work in it. See below:

@Sorrel-terenas

you make it sound like it will happen on a regular basis

It will. And anyone who knows anything about PvP would understand this.

@Sorrel-terenas

And how are you comparing our PvP records?

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/terenas/sorrel/achievements/player-vs-player/arena
vs
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Outland/Ridtur (ps: you can check my alts there as well)

@Sorrel-terenas

You are also conflating what I said to fit you agenda.

No. You’re trying to change what you said.

I’ll quote the conversation once again for you:

@You

I’m not sure It will be mandatory in PvP either.

@Me

Looking at all the legendaries, soulbinds etc the bleed-based gameplay might make a real comeback. It that’s the case it would make BT mandatory in essentially all content that doesn’t consist of targets dying instantly (i.e. some / many M+ dungeons and a couple of raid bosses).

@You

If it is mandatory, I don’t think it will be, as you say it will only be mandatory in very small number of situations and in those situation I think BT is fine.

@Me

All situations that aren’t mass AoE. I.e. any situation where you wouldn’t pick Predator/MoC.

“Very small number of situations” lol.

@You

???

@Me

You tried to play it off as if BT will only be a viable choice in “a very small amount of situations” (paraphrased).

@You

No I didn’t buhuhuhuhu (paraphrased).

@Me

Yes you did * posts the relevant part of this conversation * (paraphrased)

@You

Nooooo!!! Buhuhu, you’re trying to misintepret what I wrote.

I’m done discussing this topic with you. You completely lost it.

[Sorrel-terenas]

So I’m picturing you frothing at the mouth right now.

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

@Sorrel-terenas

So I’m picturing you frothing at the mouth right now.

You’re the one going after and attacking me even in different threads (regarding a subject which you have no clue about). I’d take a look in the mirror.

But it’s good to see that you have no arguments. Cya!

[Éllíe-kazzak]

We need MoP feral back!!!

[Klaerke-skullflame]

I wish for 2 things, more than having innervate and leader of the pack.
it is: 5% dmg buff to savage roar, and sabertooth talent swapped with jagged wounds talent.

[Vinnem-eonar]

Just want to say to what you told me that i never said that the live BT was perfect. But, i do like it better than the new one.
Sounds like PS needs dispel immunity too. Makes no sense that it’s dispellable.

But, you know, a new design without the problems would probably be grand, if we were that lucky.

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

@Vinnem-eonar

i never said that the live BT was perfect

I never insinuated that you said so. But you did say it’s OK and argued why.

@Vinnem-eonar

But, you know, a new design without the problems would probably be grand, if we were that lucky.

That I agree with.

Unfortunately it seems that even if they did re-design it again Blizzard seems hell-bent on giving BT the following properties:

• Incredibly awkward in a way that doesn’t mesh with PvP gameplay at all
• Scales incredibly well with bleeds

Which means BT will likely be very viable (moreso the more we rely on our bleed damage), with it being mandatory in some or even all PvP settings. Depending of course on what else is in the talent row.

I wish they would just replace Feral Frenzy (baseline it) with the old HotW from MoP/WoD or Claw of Shirvallah. That would kill BT in PvP for real.

[Enumar-karazhan]

The best way to balance feral would be making all abilities bleeds basically; with different durations and making rip a heavy bleed dot with a cooldown, and making f.bite as main finisher.

Shred> 2 second dot. > Medium initial damage ; following with low dot damage.

Rake >4 second dot (medium dot damage , with low initial damage) >

Ferocious bite.>(main finisher)5 seconds dot with heavy bleed damage with initial low damage ; following with heavy dot damage.

Rip>(redesigned)Deadly bleed damage ; that does like % based damage ; usable at % 35 enemy hp. Deals % 35 damage over 10 seconds.

As for aoe ; make primal wrath as aoe finisher with lower bleed durations and more damage ; and make swipe as 1 second bleed combo point builder.

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Currently there are no melee classes based on short duration dots ; thus this could make ferals unique and rewarding in its playstyle.And people would have a reason to try feral druid.

[Rhapthorn-silvermoon (Rhapthorn)]

i like this idea, very creative mate!

[Thýri-doomhammer]

your rip would not work with PW

[Enumar-karazhan]

@Thýri-doomhammer

your rip would not work with PW

Name could be changed, its not really an issue. Deadly rip or smth like that.

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

#FeralNeedsRaidUtility last push

[Razorchaos-argent-dawn]

@Éllíe-kazzak

We need MoP feral back!!!

give this guy a meddal