Is Varian in the Shadowlands?

He stopped him from destroying the mortal kingdoms / inconvenience the higher beings a little

Annihilate Azeroth ? Good one.

No, he stopped him from annihilating Azeroth, which is what the Lich King wanted to do and came close to achieving. Which is why it’s a big deal that now there is no Lich King and the Scourge is free to rampage across the world.

The Lich king gets annihilated by people on wild god level. How can he annihilate Azeroth which is full of stronger beings ?

Hell Deathwing was on the way anyway. The moment deathwing gets annoyed by Arthas the scourge is done for

It is stated in the story that Arthas was the only thing stopping the Lich King from unleashing the Scourge and annihilating all life on Azeroth.

Where tho ? I hear people claim it but never saw any quote

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There is… something else that you should know about the Lich King. Control over the Scourge must never be lost. Even if you were to strike down the Lich King, another would have to take his place. For without the control of its master, the Scourge would run rampant across the world - destroying all living things.

I do not know, Jaina. I suspect that the piece of Arthas that might be left inside the Lich King is all that holds the Scourge from annihilating Azeroth.

All Uther lines from the Halls of Reflection.

We are the heroes that stopped the bad guy from annihilating azeroth. Perfect story conclusion. And for his crimes the guy responsible suffers super hell. Fitting.

Uther Knows nothing about the higher beings like aspects and keeper or wild gods.

It’s like farmer jimmy claiming Hogger could capture stormwind

There is no indication in the story that Uther was wrong. If anything, what he said is reinforced later on when it’s discovered the Lich King always kept Jaina’s locket close to his heart, and when Terenas said that there must always be a Lich King. Terenas would be proven right in Shadowlands, when the position of Lich King is destroyed and the Scourge threatens the entire world.

There is also no proof for what he says.

As we know for example that Lei shen could defeat the lichking. And Lei shen is around the level of a celestial.

Now you gonna say Deathwing who is far above such would be defeated by the scourge who don’t even have the dragon soul ?

Let’s be honest here. Uther knows nothing outsite of the human world and made the statement going from there. He has no meta knowledge

What ? Shadowlands has nothing to do with the scourge.

Again, the Lich King is not alone, he had a massive undead army at his control, and he was close to taking control of the mightiest champions in the world.

Also Deathwing was not awaken yet at the time of WotLK, and he would have remained dormant if the Lich King won, since N’Zoth raised him only because he sensed a window of opportunity after the Lich King’s defeat.

Blizzard also supported Uther’s and Terenas’ statement during the Shadowlands reveal, mentioning how we were warned that there always had to be a Lich King, and that the consequences of what Sylvanas did are grave.

How does Shadowlands have nothing to do with the Scourge? You realize that the prepatch is a desperate attempt at stopping the new Scourge invasion at its source?

And even if. We will only see mortals defending against the scourge. As it is beneath keeper and aspects

That’s clearly not what the story implies.

Yeah because we used so powerful ally’s to defeat the scourge. <.<

And solved the nexus war / old god / twillight dragons / otter stuff

All while destroying the scourge. Soooo dangerous

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No expansion only has one main enemy. Also the Lich King was the first and one of the two only bosses who succeeded in killing the main character. He was defeated literally only because of a deus ex machina, and the heroes even got the chance to fight him in the first place because Arthas was keeping the Lich King at bay.

What ? Even this raptor troll boss was able to kill us , Illidan won against us with 1% of his power , some boss fights have them kill and revive us again for the fun of the boss.

And even if. That was at a time when the player was much weaker.

Yeah , but lore wise the lich king had many bigger threats to the site and got really ignored most of the expansion

What ? Since when is the light deus ex machina .

However even if. The lich king only had a chance to even fight us because we didn’t take him serious.

Imagine if we went Deathwing level against him and brought the dragon soul , four aspects , thrall with earthwarden power , focusing iris and more.

The lich king was lucky no one took him serious outsite from a few mortals

There is no source showing he held him back in the fight

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No. The Lich King and Argus are the only bosses who canonically killed the players.

The Lich King was factually not ignored for most of the expansion. The only major content patch that did not deal with him was 3.1, where he still made a cameo in the visions of Yogg-Saron.

It was a deus ex machina because it was literally a divine intervention to get the protagonist out of a bad situation. Also the heroes not taking him seriously is your headcanon and clearly not what the story implies. If anything it’s the opposite, it’s the Lich King who was not taking us seriously. He could have used that oneshot move right at the beginning, and didn’t only because he first wanted to test in battle those who were meant to be his future champions.

I already gave the source that proves Arthas was keeping the Lich King at bay.

So who decided only that two count ? YOU ? Holy. If you can’t provide a source for such big statements why even bother

The light is not divine. It’s a cosmic force which works with faith. The light has no will on its own, so it was Tirion alone who did it with will power

Iam not saying the hero’s didn’t , however the world didn’t. Why was no aspect / keeper / wild god with us , if he was so dangerous ?

So could have illidan with almost no power. What’s your point ? That doesn’t make him dangerous for Azeroth, but for some random hero’s

Stopping from unleashing the scourge = holding back his combat power

Stop kid yourself. The scourge is a joke compared to the other forces on Azeroth.

Hell the deathlord was stronger than the lichking durring legion

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First Quote: He controlls them, without controll they would be uncontrolled
second Quote: “I suspect XXX”

no proof at all.

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Who decided what? It’s not something you decide, it’s a fact. The only two bosses who canonically killed the player were Arthas and Argus, as them oneshotting the players is an inevitable mechanic of the fight.

The Light is divine, since it’s literally the founding force of the cosmos alongside the Void. Tirion’s moment in Icecrown checks all the traits of a deus ex machina.

No, you literally said “WE didn’t take him seriously”. Anyway, the Aspects did participate in the War against the Lich King and suffered heavy losses in Dragonblight, where Scourge forces were ravaging some of their ancient grounds. The Keepers did not participate because they were heavily damaged by Yogg-Saron. The Wild Gods did not participate because they were never relevant in Northrend in the first place, since I don’t think even one Wild God was physically there, and most of them were killed by the Drakkari in a desperate attempt to stop the Lich King’s invasion (their loas being Wild Gods).

There is no indication that Illidan could’ve oneshot the raid or was just toying with them. Also you are again ignoring that the Lich King had an army so strong that it could’ve washed over the world, as is referenced several times in the story.

I am not kidding myself, I am stating a canon fact. That is, that Arthas kept the Lich King at bay and stopped him from annihilating Azeroth, something which an unleashed Scourge could have done, as is stated in the story.

First Quote: He controlls them, without controll they would be uncontrolled
second Quote: “I suspect XXX”

no proof at all.

First quote confirms the Scourge had enough strength to annihilate all life on Azeroth. Regarding the second quote, there is no indication whatsoever that Uther was wrong; if anything, the discovery of Jaina’s locket further proves his theory.