Can you really have one without the other? They are interwoven and interdependent.
wait you want to say that RPG in vanilla is non existant? sorry for bad english.
but RPG is realism in the most basic sense, realism in fantasy world, so it fits lore as well as realism in basic sense, like axes have chance to crit on talents or maces to stun, or stats for swords to double strike because swords are weapons like that, etc, many more realistic design is made therefore its RPG gameā¦
Vanilla allowed for pretty much full mara pull by a mage. Itās unlikely anyone done that during vanilla, not even faxmonkey. Do you allow it now knowing that even with zero bots it will break the economy?
Classic revealed that vanilla gave a lot of exp per dungeon mob. Do you leave it seeing leveling meta shifting from questing to braindead instance farm and opening boosting? With all streamers cleaving in SM and almost asleap?
Or the infinite elemental earth farm that was discovered and confirmed to be a thing in the old client?
Or you see people transfering to big realms creating bigger and bigger realms that arent realistic and have resource problems. Do you allow it or do you cap it at realistic limits?.. (They failed this one).
IMHO until they stick to policing players not to break the game itās all good. If they suddenly want to buff ret and itās not SoM then itās bad.
WoTLK right now has SoM policing changes vs boost and to strong solo farms and also avoids retail staple - RDF.
Vanilla realm pop should have been implemented - or maybe a bit over. They promised no layers at a set date - layers should never have been a thing!
Blizz failed miserably here. I could not agree more.
Rest - leave as it was - I do not care about people ruining game for themselves. And no matter how hard you try, you cannot convince me that Mages or Rogues or whatever running dungeone 24/7 ruins the game for normal players.
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You are either naive or dumb here. Or you play a single player game out of wow.
Good that Blizzard is trying to do something with it and that it annoys you. I hope they improve for subsequent fresh and seasons and annoy you rven more.
donāt compare community with streamers, because once you get it, you will be bot of modern age, choose not to play like that and you will be fine by yourself. all that pepega chads and stuff can go down the toilet wc as it is for me. bots of modern age. full of themselves.
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Your idea of what an RPG - Role-Playing Game is is very strange and I am having real trouble deciphering your post. Combat mechanics of various melee weapons and ārealismā is a small part of what makes an RPG. And ārealismā is a very dangerous concept anyway. Can a human warrior in plated mail realistically ātankā a 20 meter magical fire breathing lizard corrupted demigod of earth?
I just donāt follow streamers and screamers. I play with Guildies and friends.
Those changes you mention does not annoy me - just as supposedly hissing lapposts not hissing is not annoying to you - they do not concern me at all.
But I do not trust Blizzās ability to make changes wihtout messing something up, leading to fixes, that leads to more fixes etc. Or just as bad - leading to bugs / discrepancies etc not beingfixed.
And I could at least partly understand why Classic was based upon 1.12 (I would have preferrred 1.11 - but thatās a moot issue) apart from Blizz saying that this was what they had, but building TBCC and Wrath upon the last pathces is almost a crime.
This is not going to make me leave Classic, as I love Classic Era, but it will probably make me spend less time in Wrath Classic in disgust with the UI and the dumbing down.
who, blizz making good changes???
If they dont make game more competitive in next 3-4 years (classic I mean) I am going to kill myself and post that on forum.
They all will do is make game more competitive, they are that stupid. They dont even know what RPG means.
Let me explain to them if they are reading, it means that connection to LORE and realism as if it was real world, it has to be like that, because it makes us feel more āāgroundedāā and if you feel grounded you have that oldschool classic RPG, if you for example have bow that donāt need arrows, you feel āāmore feminineāā which is more modern in many way, so it isnt same oldschool RPG isnt it? They have no clue how little they know.
Iāll try and ansver in as far as I understand what you say:
I do NOT trust Blizz to make good changes?
They should not change Classic, Seasonal is something else, and I hope you get your competitive there.
Here you seem to say the opposite of before. But I agree that Blizz do not really understand the meaning of RPG.
Jup, I want arrows for my bow, and food for my pet, and the freedom to choose which spells etc. to learn or not to learn ā¦ but all this was only removed in Cata - which for me is not Classic any more.
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Dont try to show it on streamers. You play locked in you guild and yet out of spite or stupidity you want all the bugs, exploits and all that nonsens just because it ādoesnt affect youā. Now thats a retail snowflake if I seen one.
feels like I am at home when I talk about these things on classic forums, but look at my posts on retail, full of dislikes and suchā¦ hahah , amazing manā¦
This is just about the worst [censored] Iāve ever read.
Blizz - and the community - are listening to streamers, youtubers and- whats the word ācontent creators?ā for sure. Else some things would be very hard to explain.
ālocked in your guildā whatever does this mean?
I am so not a RETAIL snowflake, I might be a snowflake, donāt really feel like one ā¦ but a Retail 
? Never! I donāt play there, have not for over 3 years (seriously for way more than that), and have no intentions of doing so ever again.
And I have told you over and over again that Blizz āfixingā things leads to more bad than good!
Itās just that the things that means something to me does not mean something to you, and the things important to you does not bother me at all.
Thatās no reason for name-calling.
Iām so not going to read your retail posts, man.
I have trouble enough understanding those concerning Classic which I know about. Trying to make head and tails out of you talking of Vulperas and Covenants and whatnots would probably result in me throwing my mointor throught the window.
/No, not going to happen.
I care only abour RPG stuff, and when I mention something about RPG my post gets so bad reviews its incredible, almost as if retail player canāt ask for RPG elements in game design. I love classic and I played classic but I play retail too, why I canāt express my opinions freely, then they go over and say to me you have to be tolerant, lol? so they go over me telling me I have to act like that, do they know that I am not from the west and I donāt need to be tolerant maybe? Like if they could understand this?
That means they go āātyrant modeāā over me because they tell me I have to act like that.
Some says wotlk is the best. But i dont agree.
Wotlk is the beginning of the fall. If it was so good the genre would continue to grow. Wotlk has so many elements that destroys mmorpg aspects forever.
Downfall of mmorpgs has started with big mistakes of wotlk.
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Actually that destroyed in MoP. In Cata you still whas able to choose not to learn a specialisation and if you want to learn a spell or not. What whas in Cata removed whas the spellranks as you only trained the spell/ability by the the teacher and then automatically learned your imrpoved version with level up.
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Just curious. Aside from RDF that allegedly killed the communities, what RPG element did LK remove exactly? cause I canāt think of any
quest trackers, sporty gameplay with combat, raids and dungeons, focus on aoe grind in open world, because of how combat worked, every class became similar, to do aoe or cleave etc, mainly because of competitive class design to fit sport minded gameplay.
Quest tracker was added mostly because players used third party ones a lotā¦ Although when its built in you canāt disable it.
And why they for example normalized hunter pets? Because pretty much everyone run with the best one. Similar things happened with classes and pve content.