Item Level Scaling makes me wish old system would be brought back

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Just imagine if you could solo all previous expansion raids you could finally look good and make actual fashion combinations. Old content would be easy, (just like it should be, in my opinion) and you could do everything at your own pace. So what’s the point of more hp if you can kill it eventually anyway? Just to waste our time? Those who do it likely stay subbed anyway, so there is no point doing it to waste people’s time.
It’s there either to piss everyone off, or because someone somewhere doesn’t want to acknowledge they have made a mistake.
I just hope that this someone will notice this concern and let our wishes come true. Happy customers will be happily subbed. It’s a win-win.
There are ways to alter mobs but you probably don’t want to abandon the scaling system. Just tune it down about -50% for all other expansions and a little bit for Shadowlands. No harm done.

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Yep, it sucks.

Especially the soloing old content stuff gets to me …

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Yes they need to change it soon, it’s a huge part of a lot of peoples wow experience!!

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" Any plans to fix old raid tuning?

They’re curious to hear specific examples. There was a bug in the first week of Shadowlands where the scaling benefit against Legion content went down as you leveled. That should be working as intended. Players who compared themselves at the end of the last expansion and the beginning of this expansion and find that it’s talking longer is an unfortunate thing about leveling up in WoW and the way combat ratings work."

It doesn’t seem fair that before the expansion old raids were easier.
So… are we going to wait 2 more expansions so we can solo Legion raids, and then eventually we reach level squish again, which buffs the old raids again, which is a huge pain in the rear?
I seriously hope that old raids will be scaled down.

And another topic on us forums: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/old-content-scaling-and-ions-response-in-qa/777441

A shame there isn’t as much concern here.

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They dropped the bag on this in the interview, that’s for sure.

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me too, I enjoy going back over old dungeons/raids to finish off gear not collected - quite fun reminiscing :+1:

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I don’t understand why Legion raids cannot be subject to the legacy buff we’ve had in place since Warlords of Draenor.
11+ levels above the content you are doing and those buffs kick in.

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Because it’s yet another half-arsed job from Blizzard. Every stat squish has been wonky, same with this level squish. Trying to save money with their automated process rather than providing a good user experience.

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Solo-ing (or duo) old content is a massive part of the game for me and many others.
I play as a small duo. Yes this is a multiplayer game but the “scaling” should be such that it can be played in however large or small group you wish (as we all pay the same money) and has always seemed to be such.

At the end of BfA I was enjoying going back and doing Legion stuff that I wasnt good enough to at the time, this is great fun.
I was hoping/expecting to be able to do the same at the end of Shadowlands and BLizzard themselves did post that this would be the case, however this post and similar ones worry me that it is currently not the case.

I do hope this is fixed otherwise this removes a huge amount of content for me and thus will remove the subs money from Blizzard too.

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I love playing solo in old raids for transmog unlocks.

Legion is real old now, but can’t be solo’d lol.

And BFA, the prior expansion’s mobs scale up to your SLs iLvl it seems. Lame.

We should be one shotting everything from BFA and prior.

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I feel that the Lawyer Card is overused on Ion, and it’s not like lawyers have a monopoly on weasel words anyhow, but admire and learn from the artistry of the response.

They’re curious to hear specific examples. There was a bug in the first week of Shadowlands where the scaling benefit against Legion content went down as you leveled. That should be working as intended. Players who compared themselves at the end of the last expansion and the beginning of this expansion and find that it’s talking longer is an unfortunate thing about leveling up in WoW and the way combat ratings work.

First the diversion:

They’re curious to hear specific examples.

There was a bug in the first week of Shadowlands where the scaling benefit against Legion content went down as you leveled. That should be working as intended.

Start by redirecting the thrust of the complaint to a bug, that is now fixed. This leaves the listener anchored on that point, possibly tring to recall facts about it, while you carry on into your deflection.

Then the deflection:

Players who compared themselves at the end of the last expansion and the beginning of this expansion and find that it’s talking longer is an unfortunate thing about leveling up in WoW and the way combat ratings work.

It is not “an unfortunate thing”, and “combat ratings” do not just “work”. That’s exactly the same dodge as the three year old who pulls over a plate from that table and says “it broke” - just executed with professional expertise.

Accidents don’t happen; they are caused. Ralative power does not happen; it is caused. And Ion & Co. are the people who cause it. This is a choice - THEIR choice. By framing it as an independent event, he evades responsibility. You might call him out on it, but your mind is probably still back thinking of examples and wondering whether they were affected by the now-fixed bug.

THIS is why they pay people the big bucks! :stuck_out_tongue:

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“Dropped the bag”? You mean as in put a lot of money into it? Never heard this expression be used otherwise, and don’t get it in this context.

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It’s completely normal to feel a powerdrop in the new xpac. After all final patch always let’s players go abso-fekin-lutly bonkers in terms of power creep.

Also we still don’t have good gear and many many players don’t even have their BiS legendaries yet either.

It’s completely normal to feel a powerdrop in the new xpac AGAINST MOBS OF YOUR OWN LEVEL.

It is ABnormal to feel a powerdrop in the new xpac AGAINST MOBS TEN LEVEL LOWER.

In Cata, when I first dinged 85, I was pathetic. I didn’t know that, but I was. I died in Tol Barad dailies so regularly they had a special grave pre-marked for me.

However, outside level 85 content, say back in Wrath, I ruled. Even in level 81-82 areas like Hyjal, I feared nothing. And that was good.

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I remember the time back in the day that you could easily solo a raids and any content from the previous expansions as soon as you reach max level on the current one. Right now you can’t solo content from 2 expansions ago, some are saying you can’t solo Raids from even Cataclysm.

This can’t be like this.

I was really lucky and did the right thing to clear all Legion raids and collect all transmogs i could with my Monk, by the end of BfA with a fat geared Windwalker i could solo everything but Mythic Antorus, right now i don’t think i can.

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this is BFA. I mean we couldn’t solo much in legion during bfa either. But at least, WOD stuff was a piece of cake after being 20 levels ahead of it.

Now however, go and do antorus. you can’t even do it with 15 levels of advantage.

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I think they meant dropped the ball.

Make an error; miss an opportunity.

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It’s a side effect of yet another stat squish.
First one happened in WOD
Second one in BFA
Third one in SL

And they all messed up scaling of old content heavily, this took months to fix too. I wish this is the last such squish ever and they’ll slow down with powercreeping primary stats this much with each damn patch. You don’t have to do such stat squishes if you don’t do expansion-sized gear resets each patch. BFA was silly, in 8.3 you would get world quest crap that was equal in strength to mythic EP gear.

I hope it gets fixed too.

Being a casual player, I enjoy doing older content for mount/gear skins/achievements etc. I don’t buy the new expansion as soon as it comes yet. I usually continue with the old content until the hype dies down then and move to new expansion so I have enjoy it, calmly.

Since the squish my enjoyment of older content has decreased. And for a casual player who has limited time, I complete much less content than I used to.

I hope it gets fixed soon otherwise I’d rather cancel sub and wait until the forums is filled with excitement about the change.

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the reason is obvious

they realised that there is a growing crowd who actively ignores current exapnsions endgame and lieteraly waits only for being able to solo 2 year old raids.

they are unhappy about players having fun so they wont let you do it anymore

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