It’s really not. There is a good amount of players who just want to do mythic+ but there’s some BiS loot in the first few bosses. A good example would be the axe from Blackwater Behemoth in EP, which was the second boss and was by far BiS for several melee classes for the entire patch.
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Yeah continue to say that, so blizzard won’t sort out the state of the game and continue to serve the top guilds who do rwf.
Uhh… what?
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It really isn’t, I didn’t think I was gonna come back to the game at the time. I totally accept its on me for deleting rather than just letting my sub just expire at the time. As I didn’t think I was coming back and no other Blizzard games interested me I didn’t want to leave the account just sitting there.
I didn’t say I was running two accounts at the same time, an account being a second one doesn’t have to mean that. I’ve never done that on any gaming service/platform, I really don’t see the point and its 2x subs (regardless of how the sub is obtained).
I really don’t care about your origin story, I already conceded on on that front due to lack of evidence. Trying to further explain this when I already dropped it only makes you look more sus.
I never did say you were running two accounts what I said is
Given the context of the conversation meaning you have/had another account that you raid/ed on but not this one, and yes you did use that excuse.
Also a second account literally means being the account that came after your fist one. This in fact is my second account, my first one I shared with my brother since we were kids and I eventually ended up leaving it and starting this one from fresh. In all intents and purposes this is my second account.
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lol at the ‘‘heroic geared’’ tryhards trying to gatekeep hc…
''you cant even beat lfr ‘’>> fake news: lfr was overtuned in previous 4 raids, but in the zereth mortis lfr its faceroll. as it should be
‘‘imagine the horror show of randos doing lfNORMAL raid’’ >> why do you care? there is votekick, there are barriers that can be launched to prevent people inadequate enough to queue, such as gold proving grounds for heroic raid. or silver for normal. + relevant ilvl
Congratulations you just defeated your own argument.
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I get it, you’re angry that couldn’t change my mind so resorted to non-related topics but you still failed to give me anything worth noting as a legitimate argument. Once again, “bad things happen” is not an argument.
It literally doesn’t have a single thing to do with gatekeeping. It’s just a pointless feature that would maybe get used for the first few days before everyone realizes it’s impossible to get anywhere with randos on any difficulty above LFR.
And if LFR was “overtuned”, imagine what the other difficulties are like where the difficulty is higher than the “overtuned” LFR, except on purpose.
Complaining about LFR being overtuned but at the same time asking for heroic and mythic LFR… I couldn’t make that up in my wildest fever dream.
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Just because you keep dismissing the arguments doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
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How am I angry ? How is “have you ever raided” a non related topic ? How is “bad things will happen” not an argument when every single time Blizzard tries to push people into content or make it more “accessible” (when it already is) it ended up making the content worse?
Come up with an actual argument for why the people that are asking for this don’t want to create their own groups. An argument other than “people don’t want lead groups”, also if you end up using that argument again answer the question who is going to be leading the groups in LFR (which again you conveniently “missed” the last time I asked).
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So you can leave these groups too?
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That goes both ways, but it sounds like that doesn’t matter to you as you’re more in agreement with the angry sounding elf.
Convenient, isn’t it? 
Wut???
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Because mine, and I assume others’ arguments come from experience of raiding in guilds, pugs and LFR. Even if you make a pug and get picky with players, not only will it take long to form the group, but your chances of getting anywhere noteworthy will still be quite low.
Now replace the player selection with “first come first served” and you have a recipe for disaster. Not only will you get a wide range of player skill within the group, which in itself will lead to frustration, but you’ll also lose the role of a raid leader, which is vital in quite a few cases. You at least need someone to assign stuff.
It’s not about “bad things might happen”, it’s that the entire experience would be guaranteed to be miserable unless all of the difficulties get nerfed to the absolute bottom, at which point there’s no point in having difficulties at all and you’re just left with the absolute easiest version of raiding.
There’s a reason LFR is a faceroll most of the time and the moment it’s not, people complain. Because the moment you throw 30 random people with no sense of direction at a boss that requires any form of group coordination and consistent personal responsibility, you get a guaranteed failure.
Unless you’re new to the forum, you know how much people complain that LFR or normal are “overtuned”. Hell, we’ve had several people here complaining that it’s too hard to cross a bridge on Sylvanas without falling off the map.
As I said, the feature might be popular the first couple days, maybe weeks, but after people realize how difficult it actually is to get anything done on fight with actual difficulty, it would quickly fade into obscurity, making it an absolute waste of development time and likely to be scrapped.
Again, nothing to do with gatekeeping and everything to with it being pointless to even consider the possibility of it being a successful feature.
The only positive I could see coming out of it is getting people interested in raiding with a guild instead.
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It would have to be at least normal cleared with green parse’s and 252 item level.
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Yeah but it doesn’t matter what parses the group has overall if there is no one to lead. I mean I get it you are throwing the argument a bone but the major thing these people are ignoring is that a raid needs a raid leader and almost no one wants fill that role.
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I mean you even got people in this thread that do not even raid making comments about things they know nothing about whole thread is a joke in my view and i agree with you in dismay its still going.
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I know right? I mean how is it unreasonable to ask someone what is their raiding experience when they are making outrageous claims that do not reflect how the game or the community actually work?
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Blizzard has invested too much into E-sports,… for E-sports to thrive, one of its foundations has to be building relationships, which is something LFR isn’t conducive to.
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